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Jungle brigades, really?

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2 years ago
Nov 28, 2022, 3:42:17 AM

Did my first agrarian focused playthrough and picked Brazil for the contemporary era. I liked the bonuses, but their emblematic unit doesn't seem to fit Brazil. Granted, I don't know much about Brazil, but jungle brigades seems laughable and might as well go to any country that is surrounded by jungle. I want to see something that Brazil specializes in, such as urban combat. Give us BOPE and not jungle brigades (lol). Scrap the bonus on forest tiles and add bonuses for fighting near districts or assaulting cities. 

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2 years ago
Dec 30, 2022, 1:41:37 PM

Still wanting jungle brigades to be replaced with Batalhão de Operações Policiais Especiais. Jungle brigades is borderline racist? Don't know the appropriate word.

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2 years ago
Dec 31, 2022, 6:13:34 AM

They are probably just a generic name for a unit of commandos in the Brazilian army. It says on the wiki that they are actually based on Brazil's Jungle Infantry Brigades of the  Amazon Military Command and Northern Military Command. Amplitude has done this with several other EU's particularly in the contemporary era. The Soviet's "Red Army Tank" is actually just a T-34 for instance, and the Australian's "All Terrain PMV" is a Bushmaster. Perhaps they need to buy the right to use the actual names of the vehicles or something.

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2 years ago
Dec 31, 2022, 2:46:54 PM

I agree with Fullscreen_Lurker.  A quick online search reveals that Brazil has multiple Jungle Infantry Brigades (Brigada de Infantaria de Selva) which specialize in jungle warfare.  So I don't see where this is "laughable" or "racist" since the name is a shortened form of the actual name of a real-life military unit.

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2 years ago
Jan 13, 2023, 2:32:04 PM
Waterdesk91 wrote:

Still wanting jungle brigades to be replaced with Batalhão de Operações Policiais Especiais. Jungle brigades is borderline racist? Don't know the appropriate word.

Are you liberal white American woman?

Wald

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2 years ago
Jan 13, 2023, 6:19:10 PM

They admitted they didn't know the appropriate word, and knew that "racist" wasn't quite correct.  Maybe they should have said "stereotypical".


Truth is, it's been pretty hard to make distinctive Contemporary Era units.  There are certainly some good ones, but far fewer distinctive standouts like the earlier era ones.  And so "Jungle Brigade" does come across as a bit generic and seems rooted in "Brazil has jungles, right?"      So I understand the complaint, and OP knew they didn't have the right words for it either.

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2 years ago
Jan 13, 2023, 10:20:51 PM
RedSirus wrote:

They admitted they didn't know the appropriate word, and knew that "racist" wasn't quite correct.  Maybe they should have said "stereotypical".


Truth is, it's been pretty hard to make distinctive Contemporary Era units.  There are certainly some good ones, but far fewer distinctive standouts like the earlier era ones.  And so "Jungle Brigade" does come across as a bit generic and seems rooted in "Brazil has jungles, right?"      So I understand the complaint, and OP knew they didn't have the right words for it either.

As has been mentioned before, it's not even stereotypical.  It's literally a shortened form of the name of the actual, real-life military unit.  The only way it could be any more accurate is if they used the original Portuguese name of "Brigada de Infantaria de Selva" but the meaning of that name and function of the unit may be lost on non-Portuguese speakers.  So there really is nothing wrong with the current localization of the name.

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2 years ago
Jan 14, 2023, 10:36:27 AM

It's an interesting inconsistency, though, no? On one hand you have Jaguar Warriors (Ocēlōmeh), on the other Franci Milites (Frankish Knights). Rocket Cart (Huo Che) and Geobukseon (Turtle Ship). And so on. I'm not sure which way I prefer, having them all in their original language would be interesting, for sure, but I find the ones that are currently not 'translated' are often source of me not bothering with the name, because I look at something like Ṣäbu Ša Qašti, short circuit for a moment and then keep calling them Babylonian EU.

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2 years ago
Jan 14, 2023, 2:31:03 PM
DNLH wrote:

It's an interesting inconsistency, though, no? On one hand you have Jaguar Warriors (Ocēlōmeh), on the other Franci Milites (Frankish Knights). Rocket Cart (Huo Che) and Geobukseon (Turtle Ship). And so on. I'm not sure which way I prefer, having them all in their original language would be interesting, for sure, but I find the ones that are currently not 'translated' are often source of me not bothering with the name, because I look at something like Ṣäbu Ša Qašti, short circuit for a moment and then keep calling them Babylonian EU.

Yes, that inconsistency occurred to me after my last post.  Personally, I prefer localized names that better aid with playing the game instead of "immersing" me in names that I have to look up and remember their translations.

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2 years ago
Jan 15, 2023, 7:44:13 PM
DNLH wrote:

It's an interesting inconsistency, though, no? On one hand you have Jaguar Warriors (Ocēlōmeh), on the other Franci Milites (Frankish Knights). Rocket Cart (Huo Che) and Geobukseon (Turtle Ship). And so on. I'm not sure which way I prefer, having them all in their original language would be interesting, for sure, but I find the ones that are currently not 'translated' are often source of me not bothering with the name, because I look at something like Ṣäbu Ša Qašti, short circuit for a moment and then keep calling them Babylonian EU.

It probably has to do with the fact that those are historical units. It's not just the Jungle Brigades, most of the Contemporary EU have generic names like that but are also based on an existing military unit or vehicle from their associated country's army. For some reason Amplitude doesn't use these units' real names; perhaps there are some kind of restrictions to using their names because they are currently being used or serving in modern armies.

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2 years ago
Jan 16, 2023, 10:35:34 AM
Fullscreen_Lurker wrote:
perhaps there are some kind of restrictions to using their names because they are currently being used or serving in modern armies.

As far as I have been told, this is indeed the case., even for some gear that is not in active use. It sounded to me like it was a much more complicated legal matter than one would expect.

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2 years ago
Jan 16, 2023, 10:46:47 AM
Fullscreen_Lurker wrote:
It probably has to do with the fact that those are historical units.

I specifically kept it to older ages in my post to avoid this connection, but even from very early on, while most units are called 'their' names, you have ones like 'Runners' or 'Noble Javelineers'. And, honestly, like the poster above, I think I prefer it that other way, it's not necessarily flavourful, but it is what it says on the tin. The issue I can see is that we'd still have the division, just not at the obvious spot, because would you 'translate' hoplites and samurais as well? Redcoats? How much entry knowledge should we decide is enough to decide which names are common enough to let them stay?


As for the specific modern vehicles not being called their names, that's likely for legal reasons, yeah. The game 'Squad' had a similar issue when they needed to remove all the brand markings from their UK and US vehicles, iirc.

EDIT: ninja'd by Cat, but that just confirms it.

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