There really needs to be a war of liberation greivance or something. I came into a war that was being waged against one of my allies, that war concluded before I could win, and the offender subjugated my ally. It's incredibly annoying that I'm powerless to do anything about that, apart from whittle down the big guy and hope his vassal decides to push for freedom. Especially since they so rarely do. It'd also be nice to have as a catch-up mechanic, or a way to make late game allies.

(Repost from wrong forum, very sorry)

That's a brilliant idea that didn't even occur to me! It'd be much more fun than the current anti-imperilaist civic.

RedSirus wrote:

Agreed, it would be nice that when someone makes my ally a vassal, I get a grievance against them, "Liberate [Vassal]".

I'd also love to see a civic where you always automatically trigger "Liberate [Vassal]" grievances against empires with vassals, like how the Religious Intolerance civic automatically triggers "Convert to [My Religion]" grievances.  This could be great on the "Anti-Imperialist" civic (and the "Imperialist" civic could even get a small discount % bonus on vassalizing empires, or a bonus to having vassals, to match it).

Double agree here.

I also recently had a case where I and another AI were at war with a 3rd party. I did all the fighting, I occupied all the cities, yet the 2nd AI vassalized them (because war score goes to 0 when all cities are occupied and AI act faster than humans! I got nothing!

Dayvit78 wrote:

RedSirus wrote:

Agreed, it would be nice that when someone makes my ally a vassal, I get a grievance against them, "Liberate [Vassal]".

I'd also love to see a civic where you always automatically trigger "Liberate [Vassal]" grievances against empires with vassals, like how the Religious Intolerance civic automatically triggers "Convert to [My Religion]" grievances.  This could be great on the "Anti-Imperialist" civic (and the "Imperialist" civic could even get a small discount % bonus on vassalizing empires, or a bonus to having vassals, to match it).

Double agree here.

I also recently had a case where I and another AI were at war with a 3rd party. I did all the fighting, I occupied all the cities, yet the 2nd AI vassalized them (because war score goes to 0 when all cities are occupied and AI act faster than humans! I got nothing!

OUCH!  That feels absolutely bug-worthy.  War Support loss due to lack of cities should only be counted against the occupying empire and not factored into all wars.  :(

Yes to this thread.

Wald

RedSirus wrote:

Agreed, it would be nice that when someone makes my ally a vassal, I get a grievance against them, "Liberate [Vassal]".

I'd also love to see a civic where you always automatically trigger "Liberate [Vassal]" grievances against empires with vassals, like how the Religious Intolerance civic automatically triggers "Convert to [My Religion]" grievances.  This could be great on the "Anti-Imperialist" civic (and the "Imperialist" civic could even get a small discount % bonus on vassalizing empires, or a bonus to having vassals, to match it).

Excelent idea

Atens7 wrote:

RedSirus wrote:

Agreed, it would be nice that when someone makes my ally a vassal, I get a grievance against them, "Liberate [Vassal]".

I'd also love to see a civic where you always automatically trigger "Liberate [Vassal]" grievances against empires with vassals, like how the Religious Intolerance civic automatically triggers "Convert to [My Religion]" grievances.  This could be great on the "Anti-Imperialist" civic (and the "Imperialist" civic could even get a small discount % bonus on vassalizing empires, or a bonus to having vassals, to match it).

Excelent idea

Thanks!  I'd still love to see this in the game.

Dayvit78 wrote:
I also recently had a case where I and another AI were at war with a 3rd party. I did all the fighting, I occupied all the cities, yet the 2nd AI vassalized them (because war score goes to 0 when all cities are occupied and AI act faster than humans! I got nothing!

This happened to me in a multiplayer game last week.  I was chatting with my friend while we played, thinking I had all the time in the world to force an AI to surrender because it had no more cities, but my friend swooped in and vassalized 'em!  At least I held onto my captured cities somehow.