There a grievances which demands a territory. Looks like they conceded to the demand.

shakee wrote:

There a grievances which demands a territory. Looks like they conceded to the demand.

There is but they would need influence over it or religious pressure. They have neither over it as I am the religious leader and I have the influence pressure. They shouldn't have a grievance, as the orange is on an entirely different contenant as well. 

You would have to post the save game before and after the change. Devs need it anyway. Just from looking at screenshots no one can say exactly what happened.

shakee wrote:

You would have to post the save game before and after the change. Devs need it anyway. Just from looking at screenshots no one can say exactly what happened.

Yeah that was my bad. I put the save off to the side and everything. I forgot to post it along with the pics before I went to work. I'll do it when I get home.

RedSirus wrote:

[Oops, Babylon would have never been "Settled Near Me", so ignore this paragraph!  I find it's the case in other situations, though] There's also a grievance "Settled near me " that happens when an empire claims a territory directly next to another empire's attached territory (no grievance for settling near unattached outposts, but settling near a city is rude).  It's possible that Yellow settled near Orange, triggering the grievance, and Orange sat on those those demands for a long time; long enough for Yellow to foolishly develop those territories into cities and not feel comfortable resisting the demands?

Tlatilco is also an assimilated/conquered Independent Peoples city, so it's possible Orange gained the grievance "Took my independent Peoples" and cashed it in a long time later.  Likewise, if Orange previously had cultural dominance over Babylon, they could have triggered a grievance against it and then turned that into an ongoing demand.

The fact that in each case it was only the central territory from a larger city ceded in peacetime feels like a longstanding demand finally paid out.

No I am yellow. Orange took browns cities. Brown and orange are on completely different continents. Me being the yellow, I have the influence control over the territory and I have the religious control. Orange has zero control and it was brown controlled before my influence took it over. It would be well passed the time the demand would have been viable anyways. 

Sorry I sucked at explaining it in my original post. I hope this clears it up a little.

RedSirus wrote:

I'm sorry, I missed that you were yellow (you did say that), and so I was confused by what you were saying, and brown's presence in the mix.  Regardless, replace all my references of yellow losing the territory with brown losing the territory: Even if you were a cultural and social powerhouse in the area, orange may have previously had cultural power over those cities and made longstanding demands for them.  And if not through cultural dominance, then maybe through the "Stole my independent peoples" grievance against Tlatilco (and in other cases, but not with Tlatilco or Bablyon, a "Settled near me" grievance).

Grievances only last 10 turns, but demands can last longer.  Orange may have culturally dominanted Babylon 100+ turns ago and held onto a demand, maybe?

That would be the most logical explanation about have the demand of taking independent people. but it also wouldn't explain taking browns capital at the exact same time. I don't believe oranges influence was strong enough to reach that continent. Orange was my vassal for a while and i recently went to war with them to take some land that I wanted. Wouldn't making them my vassal eliminate any demands they could have had?