Stealth_Hawk wrote:
Yes I see your point I do so hate to be such a cynic sometimes, and to be fair, the neiredes have allot of redeeming qualities too, like fresh gameplay, rich atmosphere, and probably allot of brilliant underwater artwork



But please understand that at the end of the day, the Eternal End simply suit me better. And the fact that Nos is a respected member of the community just has nothing to do with it.

Verdian wrote:
You are an experienced game designing team, creating a game. You should have taken a stronger hand in the contest.



I am a new customer to Amplitude, and I purchased the early access because I liked what I saw; you have a talented team. But this contest has made me lose a lot of faith in Amplitude as a companyand as designers. It was handled incredibly unprofessionally, and makes me worried that you are not putting as much thought as I assumed you were in Endless Legend.



An entire faction is not some unimportant decision. It is a massive part of the game. I still cannot believe your team thought not screening the entries was a good idea.[/QUOTE]



They're still a pretty young company and still trying to find what works. I don't think you should lose faith in them from one bad forum poll, albeit for an in game faction, but everyone trips up every once and a while and I don't think it turned out that bad. It definitely could have done better but Amplitude is a great company and have not disappointed me so far and I trust them to make good decisions... Plus El is still in Alpha so don't judge it too harshly

Ezumiyr wrote:
Also, the vote system was really bad. It would have been easy to at least:

- make the proposals anonymously

- separate the factions in pools of 10 (and one of 9) so we have 10 winners before the last stage.



Also, G2G is cool, but an entire faction design is too much. That's not for nothing that people get paid to make that stuff. A hero design, or a minor faction design would have been better.



Think of that: one faction has been chosen, one entire faction. Of course some people don't like it - probably more than 50% of the people that voted in the poll as only 26,2% votes are for the cultists. And these people will have to accept this faction they don't like in the game. That's not fair. We are not electing a president. We don't need to agree with the dictatorship of the majority.

We were not voting for the best proposal here. I tried to vote for imaginative and creative factions and we finally have a very cliché faction winning the constest for partly obscure reasons.



And as we can see in this thread, it's not just about 2-3 frustrated guys.



ps/ Sorry if I made grammar mistakes, i'm french, i work in latin, german and greek all day and i'm a bit tired to see people gaily joking while it's a very important choice for that game and the devs are doing nothing.

Ottopoika wrote:
Salve, amici. Sentio ut ego perdidi tota fides habebam, sed tui opinionem est vera. Tam multa res fecerunt male. Spero ut Amplitude auscultant nobis, sed cogito ut labor laborare est.

Hello, friends. I feel as if I lost all the confidence I had, yet your opinion is true. They did so many things badly. I hope Amplitude will listen to us, but I think that work's work.

skamaks wrote:
Hello everyone,



We would like to give you a little more visibility on the faction poll mechanics and mainly tell you that we heard all the different comments you had since the beginning of the event.

On our side we sticked to the initial plan, which was use the forums polls for the submitted factions and make a G2G votes for the 3 finalists.



Why didn't we use the instant run-off voting?

We think it is a very good idea. We didn't have time to implement such a tool. We couldn't just add a mod to the Forums because the technology we use is tweaked to incorporate the G2G points and make the link between the accounts, the votes and the forums. We can't add mods without breaking and reworking everything and we didn't have time and manpower for that. We don’t want to use an external tool neither.

We didn't make a manual instant run-off voting (even though it was a good proposal) because we need to stick a minimum to a production planning. Dividing up the votes would have made the voting period way too long.

On a positive note, we learn, we never expected so many amazing faction proposals (almost a hundred??!), and we will make this system better for the future. This won't be available for this Faction Creation Competition though, and we'll stick to our initial plan.



Why not eliminate factions that didn't follow the "Theme"?

Amplitude wants to interfere the less possible in the process of this faction creation. We really want this to be your faction, your proposals, your decisions, your discussions, your teamwork. As said in the Faction Competition text, we will be working with the winners to make sure that the faction will be adapted to the gameplay and production constraints. The same process happened with Panzer's Automatons on Endless Space.



I hope this clears out some of the questions you have.

Good luck with the rest of the Faction Creation Competition!

Nosferatiel wrote:
Is that about right? My latin is really goddamn rusty... ^^'

Ezumiyr wrote:


Also, G2G is cool, but an entire faction design is too much. That's not for nothing that people get paid to make that stuff. A hero design, or a minor faction design would have been better.

SpaceTroll wrote:




Also we want to make sure all along that it is a fun for the creators to follow that process, and in no way, work.... although it is more work for us to create with that process as you can imagine.



now the next step will be for you guys to discuss visions of what the faction that was chosen will look like, which can also bring lots of interesting and creative directions. You can as we work on it also discuss and expand on the gameplay and story with the author and us to take it to the next level.

DevildogFF wrote:
Cultists won?



Hmm. Okay. Disappointing. Sorry, Nos.

K__ wrote:
On the bright side, you can't actually use anything that Nos wrote for Quest II. He already wrote the heroes, the units, and the design of the cities, so none of that can be used. His posted visual theme where they don't have a visual theme because every Minor Faction is hiding its allegiance is also unusable. Even his sketchy understanding of Endless lore where he thinks the Concretes and Virtuals were different races can be ditched.



Basically, only the name can be salvaged.



Since Amplitude is OK with entries not following the rules, this opens up Crazytown (tm). Draw that aquatic Faction you were thinking of. Sun cultists, OK! Elementals powered by Dust, go for it! Plant guys, perfectly fine even though there is already a plant Faction! Anyone can win!

K__ wrote:
On the bright side, you can't actually use anything that Nos wrote for Quest II. He already wrote the heroes, the units, and the design of the cities, so none of that can be used. His posted visual theme where they don't have a visual theme because every Minor Faction is hiding its allegiance is also unusable. Even his sketchy understanding of Endless lore where he thinks the Concretes and Virtuals were different races can be ditched.



Basically, only the name can be salvaged.



Since Amplitude is OK with entries not following the rules, this opens up Crazytown (tm). Draw that aquatic Faction you were thinking of. Sun cultists, OK! Elementals powered by Dust, go for it! Plant guys, perfectly fine even though there is already a plant Faction! Anyone can win!

VieuxChat wrote:
No, he didn't write the heroes or units or design of cities.

The guardian an dthe queen are the only two that are really described. And they may well be characters "behind the curtain" and the Cultists heroes be some incarnation of the queen or just slaves of the guardian.

You can be creative with what Nos' created.

The only thing you have to do is th efact there's only one city. But why not designing some "outposts" ? Or city "nodes" that you could put on regions to get control of them but without the advantages of a regular city ?

Once again, you can be creative.

The visual theme can, contrary to what you say, be very creative as the 3 base units can be anything you want : maybe just some kind of sowers ? Or experiments from the guardian ?

Aren't only the armies with just minor faction units be seen as neutral ?

And you're wrong about his views on the concrete and the virtuals : where did he talk about them as "races" ? They are more something akin to "factions".

K__ wrote:
On the bright side, you can't actually use anything that Nos wrote for Quest II. He already wrote the heroes, the units, and the design of the cities, so none of that can be used. His posted visual theme where they don't have a visual theme because every Minor Faction is hiding its allegiance is also unusable. Even his sketchy understanding of Endless lore where he thinks the Concretes and Virtuals were different races can be ditched.



Basically, only the name can be salvaged.



Since Amplitude is OK with entries not following the rules, this opens up Crazytown (tm). Draw that aquatic Faction you were thinking of. Sun cultists, OK! Elementals powered by Dust, go for it! Plant guys, perfectly fine even though there is already a plant Faction! Anyone can win!