ResonanceMask wrote:
Lol, I think you went overboard with sarcasm there, dude I think you could have made same point in single sentence xD

Nope , he got the essence of 90% of the people who voted for the Nereides just fine .

Laquantus wrote:
Nope , he got the essence of 90% of the people who voted for the Nereides just fine .

I see what you did there!

Hello everyone,



We would like to give you a little more visibility on the faction poll mechanics and mainly tell you that we heard all the different comments you had since the beginning of the event.

On our side we sticked to the initial plan, which was use the forums polls for the submitted factions and make a G2G votes for the 3 finalists.



Why didn't we use the instant run-off voting?

We think it is a very good idea. We didn't have time to implement such a tool. We couldn't just add a mod to the Forums because the technology we use is tweaked to incorporate the G2G points and make the link between the accounts, the votes and the forums. We can't add mods without breaking and reworking everything and we didn't have time and manpower for that. We don’t want to use an external tool neither.

We didn't make a manual instant run-off voting (even though it was a good proposal) because we need to stick a minimum to a production planning. Dividing up the votes would have made the voting period way too long.

On a positive note, we learn, we never expected so many amazing faction proposals (almost a hundred??!), and we will make this system better for the future. This won't be available for this Faction Creation Competition though, and we'll stick to our initial plan.



Why not eliminate factions that didn't follow the "Theme"?

Amplitude wants to interfere the less possible in the process of this faction creation. We really want this to be your faction, your proposals, your decisions, your discussions, your teamwork. As said in the Faction Competition text, we will be working with the winners to make sure that the faction will be adapted to the gameplay and production constraints. The same process happened with Panzer's Automatons on Endless Space.



I hope this clears out some of the questions you have.

Good luck with the rest of the Faction Creation Competition!

skamaks wrote:
Hello everyone,



We would like to give you a little more visibility on the faction poll mechanics and mainly tell you that we heard all the different comments you had since the beginning of the event.

On our side we sticked to the initial plan, which was use the forums polls for the submitted factions and make a G2G votes for the 3 finalists.



Why didn't we use the instant run-off voting?

We think it is a very good idea. We didn't have time to implement such a tool. We couldn't just add a mod to the Forums because the technology we use is tweaked to incorporate the G2G points and make the link between the accounts, the votes and the forums. We can't add mods without breaking and reworking everything and we didn't have time and manpower for that. We don’t want to use an external tool neither.

We didn't make a manual instant run-off voting (even though it was a good proposal) because we need to stick a minimum to a production planning. Dividing up the votes would have made the voting period way too long.

On a positive note, we learn, we never expected so many amazing faction proposals (almost a hundred??!), and we will make this system better for the future. This won't be available for this Faction Creation Competition though, and we'll stick to our initial plan.



Why not eliminate factions that didn't follow the "Theme"?

Amplitude wants to interfere the less possible in the process of this faction creation. We really want this to be your faction, your proposals, your decisions, your discussions, your teamwork. As said in the Faction Competition text, we will be working with the winners to make sure that the faction will be adapted to the gameplay and production constraints. The same process happened with Panzer's Automatons on Endless Space.



I hope this clears out some of the questions you have.

Good luck with the rest of the Faction Creation Competition!

Aww... I see that would have ruled out bracket voting as well... Ah well, thank you for the reply

Thanks for weighing in skamaks

Ok, multiple quoting seems to broke in advanced mode so blindly...



@Ottopoika: wtf? Not cool to do what you did. Aknowledging it doesn't change that. Tsk tsk tsk tsk.



Moving on...



You don't vote for elves or dwarves because you are tired of the same stuff over and over? It's ok. You don't vote for male focused factions because you are tired of the same stuff over and over? Boobies. ¬.¬ Not denying that some people vote for that stuff but come on.



What Sisters of Mercy poll winning? If you are talking about that poll with Ettin, Ender and Sister of Mercy... First, we would be talking of pixelated boobies. Some hardcore boobies fans out there! Second, the sister of mercy seemed the most fun option to use with the double personality trait. Also, Adepta Sororitas much like Tredecim.



There are lots of reasons to do "special" stuff for female ones. I personally prefer realistic stuff but as long as it doesn't fall into uber-pervert land like one of those korean MMOs, some cleveage (as silly as it may be for a warrior type*) isn't going to kill immersion for me.



About Nereides having (or not) boobies... Depends on their origins/evolution (dust induced?). I remember all the rage about the Dragonborn (in D&D 4E) having them. Fun seeing how some people tried to argue against them using science. Trying to use science on a race created by magic... *facepalm* For all we know, if the Nereides are to win, they may look something like this:



The thing is: "The Nereides are an amphibious female only race, whose bodies are adapted for salt and freshwaters." Where does it say there that they are fish like things? While I do expect some originality from the devs, for all we know, they may be the female version of Aquaman/Submariner.



* a mage in the D&D sense can go naked for all I care as they don't use armours... but if she catches a cold or worse because of winter, not my fault

Wintersong wrote:
Where does it say there that they are fish like things?

Nowhere. Duh. That is just my counter to argument that they will be sexy mermaids Nowhere does the text say they are that either, but majority seems to be assuming that. I'm just pointing out they don't HAVE to be that.

melkathi wrote:
Resonance, shhhh!

Don't enter logic into this. All of us who voted for Nereides obviously did so out of immaturity! How dare you suggest people could simply have a different opinion than these fine gentlemen, or that interesting things could be done with that faction idea!

Let us too be honest: we are teenage boys, brains addled by hormones, craving for sultry women; we are a thankless lot who do not appreciate who in this community deserves our loyalty, as we put our need for breasts even above the good of the game.

After all, you just have to look at our own entries, and those of everyone else who may have voted Nereides after they themselves didn't make it into the G2G, and you will see the pure objectification of women. Disgusting! We should have been disqualified.

Good thing we didn't win!

^ Thank you for the laugh lol too much sarcasm but you made your point



but seriously I'm just tired of the clichéd fantasy rpg look. A fresh look would be a good one imo. I'll I'm really expressing is frustration by the fact that fantasy clichés have a shot at sweeping the polls. So lets hope all the teenage boys you mention don't show up to vote in Quest 2 ^^

Really I voted for Nereides because they added a new concept to the game. We really need an aquatic faction in the game at this point. I voted for all aquatic themed factions in the first poll. But this is the first I'm hearing about the Nereides being all female. I thought they were just supposed to be some sort of fish people.



Well it matters not to me because while I also like the star dreamers, the cultist of the end added nothing to the game. They were basically a fusion of Broken Lords and Vaulters focused around religion to make them stand out. Not that they wouldn't be interesting to play as but there was just nothing there for me I haven't seen a thousand times in other games.

Wintersong wrote:
@Ottopoika: wtf? Not cool to do what you did. Aknowledging it doesn't change that. Tsk tsk tsk tsk. Moving on...

At the end it did not change anything at all, but who are you to judge? I was just pondering it out loud, something I found curious.



You could really use a quote for that, okay. Not just attaching a random comment at the beginning and acting like "a good guy", and then proceed to speak about 6 different topics, without any context to the original matter.

Stealth_Hawk wrote:
^ Thank you for the laugh lol too much sarcasm but you made your point



but seriously I'm just tired of the clichéd fantasy rpg look. A fresh look would be a good one imo. I'll I'm really expressing is frustration by the fact that fantasy clichés have a shot at sweeping the polls. So lets hope all the teenage boys you mention don't show up to vote in Quest 2 ^^

To be honest the cultist thing sounded a bit cliché to us too Either way I think a nice and original graphical treatment is possible, from what we've seen of the game so far.

The whole build upon sea borough sounded nice enough and feasible to me (since we know there won't be naval warfare at all), and we already have a lot of quite militarist factions so far. My main regret is that I didn't find the minor faction interaction really exciting among the three.

Ottopoika wrote:
At the end it did not change anything at all, but who are you to judge? I was just pondering it out loud, something I found curious.



You could really use a quote for that, okay. Not just attaching a random comment at the beginning and acting like "a good guy", and then proceed to speak about 6 different topics, without any context to the original matter.

I'm the one who didn't cheat. Which makes me the good guy. That your cheating didn't affect the result doesn't change that you cheated, does it?



About the topics, not my fault that the multiquotiong thing did seem to break and had to do it without them. Certainly my post was not random at all. I wa just lazy about writing code, copy&paste different comments I wanted to quote... Sue me. But maybe you prefer me writing a whole wall of text about you and your cheating, while not including any other thing in my post. If that's the case, you only need to ask for it. (hint: I won't do it. You and many others will keep doing it and then justify it as it was nothing)

Wintersong wrote:
I'm the one who didn't cheat. Which makes me the good guy. That your cheating didn't affect the result doesn't change that you cheated, does it?



About the topics, not my fault that the multiquotiong thing did seem to break and had to do it without them. Certainly my post was not random at all. I wa just lazy about writing code, copy&paste different comments I wanted to quote... Sue me. But maybe you prefer me writing a whole wall of text about you and your cheating, while not including any other thing in my post. If that's the case, you only need to ask for it. (hint: I won't do it. You and many others will keep doing it and then justify it as it was nothing)

May I ask you that why did you even bring it up then? You posted a long, long multiquoting post, but just decided to mention me by the name and bring that topic up. Why? I was expressing my opinion on a certain matter, offering my own deeds as a possible evidence. Nobody else commented on my post, but you just decided. We don't even know each other, but you just had to do it. For no reason it seems.



Your own words: "I'm the one who didn't cheat. Which makes me the good guy. That your cheating didn't affect the result doesn't change that you cheated, does it?" just makes my presumption more precise, as you still try to justify being the "good guy". Let me tell you something: It doesn't. It doesn't make you a better person than me. Maybe I did make 2 extra accounts, but you can't possibly justify being a better human being than me based on that, now can you? After all, that didn't affect the overall results. Besides, the whole poll was unfair. That's why this forum post even exists.



Your post wasn't random. It was mostly very clear and organized. But why attach a random comment at the beginning that has nothing to do with 6 different topics about boobs and the Nereides (seriously, you just mostly talk about your own perverted preferences about female characters in video games). The attachment at the beginning doesn't have anything to do with the major part of the text (boobs), making the whole text look less organized, jumping from a certain matter to a different matter in a blink of an eye.



Also, what makes you say "you and many others will keep doing it and then justify it as it was nothing"? What makes you to expect that I'm going to do it again? Because you are a "good guy" and don't do it, right?



(And yes, I deleted the original comment, because being an honest person wasn't smart. Congratz Wintersong. I hope you are happy now.)

...pretty much every post..

This is just getting silly. A couple of reasons for that: people arguing about quotes, people complaining about votes, Solarians not winning... *cough cough* -- what? 3



The point is, that yeah the poll definitely could have been done better. 100% true. But this was never meant to be some super-official, "Win a brand new car!" kind of competition; this was a little internet forum poll, the entire point of which was for the devs to sit back and smile and say, "See! Community involvement! We're making games together!" In the end the devs don't really care who wins, because they can always doctor it beyond recognition anyway. The point wasn't to find out who's the future game designer; it's to let a bit of the fans' creativity seep into the game.



Besides that, there's always voting on the units and cities and such to do. Expect to see some sun-cult-related entries.



PS I voted for Star Dreamers, because underdogs yo

Stealth_Hawk wrote:




but seriously I'm just tired of the clichéd fantasy rpg look. A fresh look would be a good one imo. I'll I'm really expressing is frustration by the fact that fantasy clichés have a shot at sweeping the polls. So lets hope all the teenage boys you mention don't show up to vote in Quest 2 ^^

Agreed. I just find that a lot of people who vote against one cliché seem to then unwittingly vote for another one - a cliché anti-cliché option so to speak

Hopefully I'll be able to work up a nice concept for Quest 2 (whoever wins). I have some ideas for Nereides - from a esign point of view I find them challenging and thus fun. But I don't know if I can draw anything but Teddy Bears anymore...

dreamwalker wrote:
This is just getting silly. A couple of reasons for that: people arguing about quotes, people complaining about votes, Solarians not winning... *cough cough* -- what? 3



The point is, that yeah the poll definitely could have been done better. 100% true. But this was never meant to be some super-official, "Win a brand new car!" kind of competition; this was a little internet forum poll, the entire point of which was for the devs to sit back and smile and say, "See! Community involvement! We're making games together!" In the end the devs don't really care who wins, because they can always doctor it beyond recognition anyway. The point wasn't to find out who's the future game designer; it's to let a bit of the fans' creativity seep into the game.



Besides that, there's always voting on the units and cities and such to do. Expect to see some sun-cult-related entries.



PS I voted for Star Dreamers, because underdogs yo

Very good post.

skamaks wrote:
Why not eliminate factions that didn't follow the "Theme"?

Amplitude wants to interfere the less possible in the process of this faction creation.

You are an experienced game designing team, creating a game. You should have taken a stronger hand in the contest.



I am a new customer to Amplitude, and I purchased the early access because I liked what I saw; you have a talented team. But this contest has made me lose a lot of faith in Amplitude as a company and as designers. It was handled incredibly unprofessionally, and makes me worried that you are not putting as much thought as I assumed you were in Endless Legend.



An entire faction is not some unimportant decision. It is a massive part of the game. I still cannot believe your team thought not screening the entries was a good idea.

I wonder, how is it possible that option with less votes is marked as wining? Is it some glitch. Note, that I voted a few days ago, so it isn't g2g not taking into account my recent vote.

The script directing where the crown is never worked and, sadly, the devs never fixed it.

Whatever has most points will win, no matter where the crown ends up being.

"melkathi" wrote:
Agreed. I just find that a lot of people who vote against one cliché seem to then unwittingly vote for another one - a cliché anti-cliché option so to speak

Yes I see your point I do so hate to be such a cynic sometimes, and to be fair, the neiredes have allot of redeeming qualities too, like fresh gameplay, rich atmosphere, and probably allot of brilliant underwater artwork



But please understand that at the end of the day, the Eternal End simply suit me better. And the fact that Nos is a respected member of the community just has nothing to do with it.

Nosferatiel wrote:
The script directing where the crown is never worked and, sadly, the devs never fixed it.

Whatever has most points will win, no matter where the crown ends up being.

The Crown belongs to the one true "Queen" of Westeros ehh i mean Auriga. (little Cultist Lore refference^^)