Haven't the Amoeba been somewhat confirmed as a minor faction?

UndeadPuppy wrote:

I personally think that out of all the ES1 factions, the Sowers, Amoeba and maybe, just maybe the Automatons are the most likely to be carried over...

I kind of feel that the Epistis are the Automatons in everything but name...

Commander wrote:

Can we really count the Unfallen right now? Given that, as the community created faction, they're probably not ready to go. Assets need to be made, and code needs to be written and tested in house before we see them. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see them being one of the eight factions we're currently waiting on.

Also, I think the Vaulters will come back. Just a feeling I get, but I think Amplitude likes them. Not that I'm complaining mind you. (Mezari forever!)

Vaulters will come back yeah, and that applies to 4 of the 8 factions. They announced 4 major factions for Early Access; that's what there is now.

Commander wrote:

Can we really count the Unfallen right now? Given that, as the community created faction, they're probably not ready to go. Assets need to be made, and code needs to be written and tested in house before we see them. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see them being one of the eight factions we're currently waiting on.

Also, I think the Vaulters will come back. Just a feeling I get, but I think Amplitude likes them. Not that I'm complaining mind you. (Mezari forever!)

Pretty sure they pre-planned the community made faction to be the 8th faction, just like The Cultists in Endless Legend. It's not going to be 8 dev made factions +1 community faction...

I just wished that they would tease the remaining 3 factions like the Lumeris and Vodyani were on the wiki: their symbol and a blurred image, just so that we can get a feel for what they might be.

Right now, we've got nothing but speculations (Well, we do know the Unfallen and Humans are two of the last 4 unrevealed factions, but that still leaves two of them that we don't even have a tiny clue about)

UndeadPuppy wrote:

I personally think that out of all the ES1 factions, the Sowers, Amoeba and maybe, just maybe the Automatons are the most likely to be carried over, as the rest of the factions are either made redundant by new ones, are more fitting as Minor Factions or just don't fit any particular gaps in the ES2 roster  (at the moment).

Out of all of them, the Amoeba are the most popular and iconic by far. In fact, they are one of the most unique races ever created in a 4x Space game.

Really? It seems like the Harmony are the most likely to be carried over since they appeared in one shape or another over the all the games and they are pretty integral to the story of the Endless. I'm even willing to wager that the New Beginning trailer takes their perspective ("I have reached perfect Harmony", seeking to destroy the dust crystal).

UndeadPuppy wrote:

Can you imagine if Starcraft 2 didn't have the Protoss as a faction in it? It's kind of like the same with the Amoeba.

The Sophons really seem to be more of the "Protoss" of Endless Space as they are the highly advanced ones and it seems like Amplitude are really trying to make them the iconic faction of Endless Space, along with the Cravers.

radlawnmower wrote:

UndeadPuppy wrote:

I personally think that out of all the ES1 factions, the Sowers, Amoeba and maybe, just maybe the Automatons are the most likely to be carried over, as the rest of the factions are either made redundant by new ones, are more fitting as Minor Factions or just don't fit any particular gaps in the ES2 roster  (at the moment).

Out of all of them, the Amoeba are the most popular and iconic by far. In fact, they are one of the most unique races ever created in a 4x Space game.

Really? It seems like the Harmony are the most likely to be carried over since they appeared in one shape or another over the all the games and they are pretty integral to the story of the Endless. I'm even willing to wager that the New Beginning trailer takes their perspective ("I have reached perfect Harmony", seeking to destroy the dust crystal).

UndeadPuppy wrote:

Can you imagine if Starcraft 2 didn't have the Protoss as a faction in it? It's kind of like the same with the Amoeba.

The Sophons really seem to be more of the "Protoss" of Endless Space as they are the highly advanced ones and it seems like Amplitude are really trying to make them the iconic faction of Endless Space, along with the Cravers.

There might be some difficulty in adapting the Harmony to ES2 since they don't actually have a form of government and pretty much move as one. The government system and laws play a big role in ES2 and I don't see how the Harmony can circumvent that hurdle.

Now I'm not saying that it is impossible (Just look at the Cravers), but it will either be very different or limited compared to what the other factions experience.

As for the iconic factions of ES1, well, it was just an example. ES1 had more than 2 iconic factions.

I don't know why you expect any of the ES1 factions to come back. ES2 is a brand new game, a reimagining of sorts, and a sequel to Endless Legend, not Endless Space 1.

They have brought back the iconic factions, Sophons and Cravers, plus humans, but that will be it, the rest of the ES2 factions will be brand new, it makes only sense from a creative and narrative point of view. Some of them might even come back as minor factions but that's it. 

Koranis wrote:

I don't know why you expect any of the ES1 factions to come back. ES2 is a brand new game, a reimagining of sorts, and a sequel to Endless Legend, not Endless Space 1.

They have brought back the iconic factions, Sophons and Cravers, plus humans, but that will be it, the rest of the ES2 factions will be brand new, it makes only sense from a creative and narrative point of view. Some of them might even come back as minor factions but that's it. 

Because the game is called Endless Space 2, not Endless Legend 2? And because the game already has factions from ES1? And because you have absolutely no idea what factions will be added next? And because it does make sense from a narrative point of view and doesn't stifle creativity?

Really, I have no clue as to why you consider my expectations baseless of irrelevant seeing as you have no actual proof that the rest of the factions will be new.

Koranis wrote:

I don't know why you expect any of the ES1 factions to come back. ES2 is a brand new game, a reimagining of sorts, and a sequel to Endless Legend, not Endless Space 1.

They have brought back the iconic factions, Sophons and Cravers, plus humans, but that will be it, the rest of the ES2 factions will be brand new, it makes only sense from a creative and narrative point of view. Some of them might even come back as minor factions but that's it. 

I think the most commonly-held view (which the developers are alluding to) is that half of the factions will be returning ones. Months ago there was a poll on what factions the players would like to see returning and we can at least infer from the poll alone the Devs are bringing multiple factions back.

Oh, not to mention that two of the already revealed minor factions are returning ones from the first game.

BG123 wrote:

Koranis wrote:

I don't know why you expect any of the ES1 factions to come back. ES2 is a brand new game, a reimagining of sorts, and a sequel to Endless Legend, not Endless Space 1.

They have brought back the iconic factions, Sophons and Cravers, plus humans, but that will be it, the rest of the ES2 factions will be brand new, it makes only sense from a creative and narrative point of view. Some of them might even come back as minor factions but that's it. 

I think the most commonly-held view (which the developers are alluding to) is that half of the factions will be returning ones. Months ago there was a poll on what factions the players would like to see returning and we can at least infer from the poll alone the Devs are bringing multiple factions back.

Oh, not to mention that two of the already revealed minor factions are returning ones from the first game.

Do you have a link to that poll? I'm curious to see it, and I want to see where exactly the Hissho placed on it  Sure, half the old factions may be coming back, but there are only 3 more Major factions left to be revealed (one of which we know to be human), while there are still 10 Minor factions to be revealed...

UndeadPuppy wrote:

Koranis wrote:

I don't know why you expect any of the ES1 factions to come back. ES2 is a brand new game, a reimagining of sorts, and a sequel to Endless Legend, not Endless Space 1.

They have brought back the iconic factions, Sophons and Cravers, plus humans, but that will be it, the rest of the ES2 factions will be brand new, it makes only sense from a creative and narrative point of view. Some of them might even come back as minor factions but that's it. 

Because the game is called Endless Space 2, not Endless Legend 2? And because the game already has factions from ES1? And because you have absolutely no idea what factions will be added next? And because it does make sense from a narrative point of view and doesn't stifle creativity?

Really, I have no clue as to why you consider my expectations baseless of irrelevant seeing as you have no actual proof that the rest of the factions will be new.

Lol. I will not argue, as I'm sure you have no clue either. You have your opinion, I have mine. 

In my opinion some of those factions will be back as minor factions, some of them already have. Others might return as DLCs but I really doubt you will see Automatons or Horatio etc as the one of the final 4. Otherwise it would be a really wasted opportunity for Amplitude to add something new and make Endless Space 2 stand out.

And what about the name? Quake 2 wasn't a real sequel to Quake 1, was it? Lol. 

Koranis wrote:

UndeadPuppy wrote:

Koranis wrote:

I don't know why you expect any of the ES1 factions to come back. ES2 is a brand new game, a reimagining of sorts, and a sequel to Endless Legend, not Endless Space 1.

They have brought back the iconic factions, Sophons and Cravers, plus humans, but that will be it, the rest of the ES2 factions will be brand new, it makes only sense from a creative and narrative point of view. Some of them might even come back as minor factions but that's it. 

Because the game is called Endless Space 2, not Endless Legend 2? And because the game already has factions from ES1? And because you have absolutely no idea what factions will be added next? And because it does make sense from a narrative point of view and doesn't stifle creativity?

Really, I have no clue as to why you consider my expectations baseless of irrelevant seeing as you have no actual proof that the rest of the factions will be new.

Lol. I will not argue, as I'm sure you have no clue either. You have your opinion, I have mine. 

In my opinion some of those factions will be back as minor factions, some of them already have. Others might return as DLCs but I really doubt you will see Automatons or Horatio etc as the one of the final 4. Otherwise it would be a really wasted opportunity for Amplitude to add something new and make Endless Space 2 stand out.

And what about the name? Quake 2 wasn't a real sequel to Quake 1, was it? Lol. 

United Empire and someone. Probably not Vaulters for now because if there's 2 starting Human factions one would presumably already have been revealed.  So Automatons have a good chance to be the last returning ES1 faction. Horatio is totally gonna be a Minor one, Sheredyn too probably. 

Regarding the Harmony, in another thread there was a discussion about an overarching story line, which was mentioned in one preview article. https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forum/65-general/thread/20180-new-preview-and-hint-at-overall-story-details

There was speculation if the Harmony could be some kind of external thread, even some kind of "winter" machanic with invading fleets and such. This was highly speculative but considering the gameplay of the Harmony in ES1 they would really fit as a major external thread to all the galaxy. This way the Harmony could be included without being a major faction.

MezzoMax wrote:

Regarding the Harmony, in another thread there was a discussion about an overarching story line, which was mentioned in one preview article. https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forum/65-general/thread/20180-new-preview-and-hint-at-overall-story-details

There was speculation if the Harmony could be some kind of external thread, even some kind of "winter" machanic with invading fleets and such. This was highly speculative but considering the gameplay of the Harmony in ES1 they would really fit as a major external thread to all the galaxy. This way the Harmony could be included without being a major faction.

I'd like that. I've always felt Harmony was a really cool enemy in ES1, something to challenge the player in the endgame. To bad that, at least in my games, they've always ended up being conquered or at the very least cornered by the first empire they've met.

So, according to this : 

https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forum/65-general/thread/20537-new-gameplay-video-just-recently-lifestream-with-romain

4 of Endless Space 1 major factions are major factions in Endless Space 2.

For the moment we have : 

• Sophons,
• Cravers
• UE/Mezari

This let's us one new factions and one ES1 factions ... Harmony ? 

I really thought amoeba wouldn't come back, but when I think of it, they still fill in the pacifist niche but we don't have expansionists yet. (if you don't count cravers who are "consumerists" ;) )