UndeadPuppy wrote:

Mokinokaro wrote:

It'd work better for me at least if it was the Mezari.   The civilization the Vaulters spawned from.

We know so little about them that they could be a galactic empire.

It wouldn't work chronologically, as the Mezari fell before Auriga became uninhabitable.  

Wait, you mean that the original civilization that sent "Success" on Auriga fell? Where did you get that from?

Well yeah, technically all the races in ES1 are still out there somewhere in the galaxy. This little mention doesn't necessarily confirm the Vaulters as a playable race though.

UndeadPuppy wrote:

Well yeah, technically all the races in ES1 are still out there somewhere in the galaxy. This little mention doesn't necessarily confirm the Vaulters as a playable race though.

Didn't say they were going to be a playable race, in fact, I suspect they'll wind up being a minor race. Most likely Scientist Technologists or Scientist Scavengers (Although it would be really cool from a lore perspective if they have JUST left Auriga in Endless Legend and they're actually Scientist Primitives )

Also, keep in mind that the Lumeris were also first hinted at in a similar way, through the bio description of the hero Nelly "Shaken" Sira Ninpere. I highly doubt that a previously existing faction that's being referenced in this manner WON'T be showing up in some capacity.

Ridiculi wrote:

UndeadPuppy wrote:

Well yeah, technically all the races in ES1 are still out there somewhere in the galaxy. This little mention doesn't necessarily confirm the Vaulters as a playable race though.

Didn't say they were going to be a playable race, in fact, I suspect they'll wind up being a minor race. Most likely Scientist Technologists or Scientist Scavengers (Although it would be really cool from a lore perspective if they have JUST left Auriga in Endless Legend and they're actually Scientist Primitives )

Also, keep in mind that the Lumeris were also first hinted at in a similar way, through the bio description of the hero Nelly "Shaken" Sira Ninpere. I highly doubt that a previously existing faction that's being referenced in this manner WON'T be showing up in some capacity.

True. I forgot about the Lumeris mention in Nelly's bio. 

That does open up the possibility of the Vaulters being added to the game at some point, but who knows...

TBH, I'm hoping some of the races in ES1 make it as major factions.

It would simply be weird if they didn't.

Something as major a force as the UE or Vaulters would seem out of place as "minor" factions in gameplay (even if not in lore).

Personally, hoping for the Automatons and Amoeba to be major factions, but admittedly they are not so... "major". :(

Eisenhart wrote:

TBH, I'm hoping some of the races in ES1 make it as major factions.

It would simply be weird if they didn't.

Something as major a force as the UE or Vaulters would seem out of place as "minor" factions in gameplay (even if not in lore).

Personally, hoping for the Automatons and Amoeba to be major factions, but admittedly they are not so... "major". :(

Actually, there are factions in ES1 that have been active in the galaxy are are not by definition, Minor Races who have colonies only in their home system. The Amoeba, Sowers, UE, Sophons  don't really make sense as Minor Races because they have travelled outside their home systems. 

When his system was taken by a Vodyani Ark ship and his people assimilated

Or the vaulters are gone. Assimilated by the Vodyani.

Btw. I really like the way Amplitude doesn't care about too much consistency in the story line between games.

monkeynaut wrote:

When his system was taken by a Vodyani Ark ship and his people assimilated

Or the vaulters are gone. Assimilated by the Vodyani.

Btw. I really like the way Amplitude doesn't care about too much consistency in the story line between games.

I'm pretty sure the Vaulters are fine and dandy, the Vodyani probably assimilated a small colony.

And since ES2 is technically a reboot of the universe, some of the things in ES1 get carried over, some don't.

monkeynaut wrote:

When his system was taken by a Vodyani Ark ship and his people assimilated

Or the vaulters are gone. Assimilated by the Vodyani.

Btw. I really like the way Amplitude doesn't care about too much consistency in the story line between games.

Actually, that's a possibility I had not considered. In the previous faction reveal, the Lumeris were called out by name, while that was not the case here. That being said, I do hope the Vaulters appear in some capacity, but I still think it's more likely they'll show up as a minor faction instead of a major one.

One thing to consider is that so far the only two returning major factions we've seen were the very first two that were announced. Not saying that we won't potentially see more in the future, but I think it's a stronger possibility that when we finally see the major human faction, it's going to be a brand new faction that uses a mixture of gameplay elements we've seen from the previous games, much like the Vodyani and Lumeris.

If we were to be entirely consistent with every faction, this would mean that all factions would start in the early days of their respective interstellar space age. In order to give them flavor, we sometimes have to bend that rule (otherwise, how would the Vodyani be perceived as a menace? ).

UndeadPuppy wrote:
I really loved the Amoeba in ES1. Their lore and design made them stand out among the other factions.

I'm really going to miss them and the Automatons.

I don't know about the Automatons, but I think there's still a good chance the Amoeba will make it in. We still need an ecologist faction. Granted, that could be a completely new one, but personally I am betting on a 50/50 split between old and new factions. It leaves more room to be surprised in expansions.

Hopefully the Harmony make it in as a major faction (maybe an expansion later like Disharmony) with some redesigned ships.  Their no dust/corrupt dust playstyle was unique and one of my favorites.  In ES2 I would assume they would have profound contributions to a population focused game with their interactions with other factions causing dust intolerance in the population 'climate'.  They also make for a nice aesthetic and lore in the game having a real presence in all three games and having a nice alien quality.

Zaphyr wrote:

Hopefully the Harmony make it in as a major faction (maybe an expansion later like Disharmony) with some redesigned ships.  Their no dust/corrupt dust playstyle was unique and one of my favorites.  In ES2 I would assume they would have profound contributions to a population focused game with their interactions with other factions causing dust intolerance in the population 'climate'.  They also make for a nice aesthetic and lore in the game having a real presence in all three games and having a nice alien quality.

True. There is no way that a faction like the Harmony who has been active since the dawn of time not make an appearance in this game. Lore wise, they are still stuck in this galaxy thanks to Dust.

uriak wrote:

BTW isn't one major inconsistency for some races how they have mastered star travel but still starts out with a home system ? How was that explained in the case of the Amoeba for instance ?

This is exactly what I mean. Some things don't make sense. Like a Broken Lord in Dungeon of the Endless. On the other hand, why bother? I like it.

Neil Gaiman once said "Life will always be stranger than fiction. Because fiction has to be convincing." It seems to me Amplitude found a very good balance here.

And I hope the vaulters make it to the game.

monkeynaut wrote:

When his system was taken by a Vodyani Ark ship and his people assimilated

Or the vaulters are gone. Assimilated by the Vodyani.

Btw. I really like the way Amplitude doesn't care about too much consistency in the story line between games.

Oh, we care very deeply -- we just choose to ignore it  :D