mixerria wrote:

mixerria wrote:

Sotnik wrote:

The damn mobile version of G2G does not allow to reply properly. I suggest brainstorming a bit more here and then create a topic in the Game Design sub-forum to sum up the proposals of our "joint work group" :).

If you'd like, sure, I'm in. ^^

I'm going to write a first draft for the different names of the parties for the factions and post it here.

Edit: Here is the first draft.

But before that, keep in mind, I don't see parties neccessarily as parties in a electoral democratic system. They could as well be just interest groups or even something else, depending on whatever faction/government one plays. That's why they may not have "party" in their name.

Party / interest group name	Sophons	Vodyani	Lumeris	Craver	Unfallen	United Empire	Horatio
Religious	Postrealism Party	Church of the Virtual Endless	Transcendence Party	Heroists	Spirituals	Propaganda Union	Church of Horatio
Scientific	Progress Party	Sect of Ascendance	Exploration Party	Assimilators	Seekers	Science Union
Industrialist	Builder Party	Sect of Creation	Production Party	Exploiters		Industrial Union
Ecologist	Environmental Party	Sect of Preservation	Growth Party	Eaters	Seeders	Agriculture Union
Militarist	Weapon Testing Party	Sect of Purgation	Acquisition Party	Expansionists	Augmenters	Arms Union
Commercialist / Pacifist	Cooperation Party	Sect of Collection	Trade Party			Commerce Union

Not finished, obviously. ;) UE and Horatio are only half-confirmed, so far. I had their ES1-background in mind when choosing their party names.

There are of course some pros and cons for using faction-specific party names, though I'm not yet writing them down til the final suggestion. :P

If anyone cares: I made a idea here https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/ideas/67-different-party-names-for-each-major-faction

Thank you for the initiative! I have little time for G2G nowadays, but I am looking forward to study your Idea submission asap!

mixerria wrote:

Sotnik wrote:

The damn mobile version of G2G does not allow to reply properly. I suggest brainstorming a bit more here and then create a topic in the Game Design sub-forum to sum up the proposals of our "joint work group" :).

If you'd like, sure, I'm in. ^^

I'm going to write a first draft for the different names of the parties for the factions and post it here.

Edit: Here is the first draft.

But before that, keep in mind, I don't see parties neccessarily as parties in a electoral democratic system. They could as well be just interest groups or even something else, depending on whatever faction/government one plays. That's why they may not have "party" in their name.

Party / interest group name	Sophons	Vodyani	Lumeris	Craver	Unfallen	United Empire	Horatio
Religious	Postrealism Party	Church of the Virtual Endless	Transcendence Party	Heroists	Spirituals	Propaganda Union	Church of Horatio
Scientific	Progress Party	Sect of Ascendance	Exploration Party	Assimilators	Seekers	Science Union
Industrialist	Builder Party	Sect of Creation	Production Party	Exploiters		Industrial Union
Ecologist	Environmental Party	Sect of Preservation	Growth Party	Eaters	Seeders	Agriculture Union
Militarist	Weapon Testing Party	Sect of Purgation	Acquisition Party	Expansionists	Augmenters	Arms Union
Commercialist / Pacifist	Cooperation Party	Sect of Collection	Trade Party			Commerce Union

Not finished, obviously. ;) UE and Horatio are only half-confirmed, so far. I had their ES1-background in mind when choosing their party names.

There are of course some pros and cons for using faction-specific party names, though I'm not yet writing them down til the final suggestion. :P

If anyone cares: I made a idea here https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/ideas/67-different-party-names-for-each-major-faction

Commercialist sounds clunky.  What about Mercantile?

The damn mobile version of G2G does not allow to reply properly. I suggest brainstorming a bit more here and then create a topic in the Game Design sub-forum to sum up the proposals of our "joint work group" :).

VieuxChat wrote:

radlawnmower wrote:

The problem with naming them something like "commercialist", "economist", "mercantile", or "capitalist" is that it is only a good fit for the Lumeris. It would make no sense for the Unfallen and most likely the unrevealed Minor Factions to be named this.

How about instead, it is called something like "cooperative" or "interdependent". Something that really says "I go out of my way to work with others instead of against them". I would say "harmonious", but there are obvious issues with that.

Isn't the ability to understand others and work with them called "empathy" ?

So shouldn't they be empathists ?

The "empathist" party of the United Empire would be the laughing stock number one, for sure... :P But to be honest, your idea actually reflects the spirit of the pacifist party pretty well, I guess.

Anyway, this just shows how good faction-specific party names would be. I will add a suggestion today.

radlawnmower wrote:

The problem with naming them something like "commercialist", "economist", "mercantile", or "capitalist" is that it is only a good fit for the Lumeris. It would make no sense for the Unfallen and most likely the unrevealed Minor Factions to be named this.

How about instead, it is called something like "cooperative" or "interdependent". Something that really says "I go out of my way to work with others instead of against them". I would say "harmonious", but there are obvious issues with that.

Isn't the ability to understand others and work with them called "empathy" ?

So shouldn't they be empathists ?

radlawnmower wrote:

The problem with naming them something like "commercialist", "economist", "mercantile", or "capitalist" is that it is only a good fit for the Lumeris. It would make no sense for the Unfallen and most likely the unrevealed Minor Factions to be named this.

How about instead, it is called something like "cooperative" or "interdependent". Something that really says "I go out of my way to work with others instead of against them". I would say "harmonious", but there are obvious issues with that.

That's annother reason why faction-specific party names would make sense. (See some posts above)

The problem with naming them something like "commercialist", "economist", "mercantile", or "capitalist" is that it is only a good fit for the Lumeris. It would make no sense for the Unfallen and most likely the unrevealed Minor Factions to be named this.

How about instead, it is called something like "cooperative" or "interdependent". Something that really says "I go out of my way to work with others instead of against them". I would say "harmonious", but there are obvious issues with that.

Sotnik wrote:

mixerria wrote:

Exactly this! Another example could be renaming the parties of the Lumeris like the families. (Not sure if that would be fitting the lore, though... but I guess you get the idea. :D) However, I am not sure what you mean by 'politically biased faction techs'.

Sorry, I can't help abusing the word "biased"

I mean faction techs that advance the faction's basic ideology.

Ah, I seem to understand. :D

This is a good idea, too. But in this case I'd rather not have the prevalent party and the type of government displayed as a title, but rather just as a sub-info. 

Ok, that's good too. It will help to avoid weird long phrases like "Plutocratic Federation of the United Empire".

Especially not only if it is too long but also when it seems to contradict itself, just as in your example. ;) 

Anyway, it would be interesting if one was getting a bonus for diplomatic actions with a faction with a faction with a same or similar type of government.

Hah! This discussion is increasingly moving towards the Game Design sub-forum!

I really like this idea. A better relation between internal and external politics is what the current political system lacks. I would like develop your idea more specifically; and here I will interpret "diplomatic actions" as treaties (cooperation) and declarations (competition) alike. 

While a "bonus" may be implemented in various complex ways, I will consider the simplest one to begin with - influence costs of diplomatic actions.

Hmm, reducing influence cost (as a bonus) for beneficial actions would indeed make sense, although I'm undecided about hostile actions being cheaper.

Theory: factions with the same prevalent party should have influence discount on treaties and declarations.

Justification: similarity of ideologies (ideologies of 2 states can't be absolutely identical) is a basis for either an increased mutual understanding or hatred. Let me explain with examples of attitudes.

Prevalent parties	Cooperation	Competition
Religious	They might be misled now but we are moving to a common goal of embracing the Sacred.	Burn the heretics!
Scientific	We+they=knowledge*2	Knowledge*fools=disaster
Industrialist	Alone, we are building a new empire. Together, we are building a new world.	Your empire is either a factory to acquire or a scrap to process. This way or another, keep away from my resources!
Ecologist	The environment they form might be non-idyllic for our species, but I am glad their new colony is not a toxic wasteland inhabited by zombie-worms any more.	Environment-friendly? Here, we call it pollution.
Militarist	We truly respect the way you fearlessly nuked this planet of disgusting unicorns.	I am confused: if militarists kill each other, is it war or friendship?
Commercialist	What about a joint venture?	Look, I bought that star system at the latest auction and I need it for my trade route. What?! You don't acknowledge our constellation's securities?!
Pacifist	Let's stroll hand in hand and smell flowers.	Our pacifism is stronger than your pacifism! (another reason for renaming Pacifists)

This is a nice idea how this game mechanic could be displayed. 

Sotnik wrote:

mixerria wrote:

Another idea may be that faction party has a different name for each party (icon/color stays the same, however). "Parties" or subfactions or whatever could have more lore-friendly names by that. Though I guess it could also be confusing to new players, I guess, it should not be that difficult to implement.

If anyone supports this, I might make a suggestion topic about this.

Hi! Do you mean, for example (obviously bad), renaming Religious Party into Virtual Church Party for Vodyani? That's an interesting improvement provided there are politically biased faction techs.

It might be also immersive and convenient to have an information on the prevailing party at the Diplomacy screen, like "Technocratic Dictatorship of Lumeris".

Exactly this! Another example could be renaming the parties of the Lumeris like the families. (Not sure if that would be fitting the lore, though... but I guess you get the idea. :D) However, I am not sure what you mean by 'politically biased faction techs'.

This is a good idea, too. But in this case I'd rather not have the prevalent party and the type of government displayed as a title, but rather just as a sub-info. (Post a suggestion topic if you like it, anyways; I'd still support it.) Anyway, it would be interesting if one was getting a bonus for diplomatic actions with a faction with a faction with a same or similar type of government.

Another idea may be that faction party has a different name for each party (icon/color stays the same, however). "Parties" or subfactions or whatever could have more lore-friendly names by that. Though I guess it could also be confusing to new players, I guess, it should not be that difficult to implement.

If anyone supports this, I might make a suggestion topic about this.

I just call my Craver zerg "Pacificators"...

AndreasK wrote:

 They could call them commercialist 

This, just so much of this!

AndreasK wrote:

They could call them commercialist 

Yessss! This word! That's a turning point in the history of ES2! Thank you so much!

AndreasK wrote:

Haha the poll options are great. I imagine it is a leftover from when they had more ideologies and decided to roll several into one. Or it is just an acknowledgement that trade generally works best in peace times. They could call them commercialist but I dont mind them being called pacifist.

Hmm, "Commercialist" has a nice ring to it, too...