godman85 wrote:

Romeo wrote:

4) They're absolutely the same species as Sophons, but seem to have a physiological difference in attitude. Whereas the Sophon are naturally drawn towards creation, the Mavros are naturally drawn to destruction. Their societies each reflect this: The Sophons remain a major player in the galaxy due to their immense intellect; The Mavros are comparatively irrelevant because of their inability to create anything non-destructive.

This right here is why their subrace should not be the pilgrims but the mavros. Having a science and militarist conflict is AMAZING politically. Especially since their story quests are all snowbally. You go military and you get like 5 straight military missions and vica versa.

Would be super cool (Lets be honest, the Mavros look way cooler than the Sophons).

Kweel_Nakashyn wrote:

I think the sub factions would be better if chosen by the player than imposed like this :/

This. Or just not start at all with any and make us work for it.

I think the sub factions would be better if chosen by the player than imposed like this :/

Romeo wrote:

4) They're absolutely the same species as Sophons, but seem to have a physiological difference in attitude. Whereas the Sophon are naturally drawn towards creation, the Mavros are naturally drawn to destruction. Their societies each reflect this: The Sophons remain a major player in the galaxy due to their immense intellect; The Mavros are comparatively irrelevant because of their inability to create anything non-destructive.

This right here is why their subrace should not be the pilgrims but the mavros. Having a science and militarist conflict is AMAZING politically. Especially since their story quests are all snowbally. You go military and you get like 5 straight military missions and vica versa.

UndeadPuppy wrote:

jimsurvak wrote:

I would've liked to have played them as a major faction this time around, just for fun. I'm much more of a UE player, though so I'm not too broke up about it.

Wish I could say the same thing...

Don't get me wrong, I love ES2 and enjoy playing them, but besides the Cravers and the Unfallen I don't really have any favorite factions.

The Amoeba and Hissho are Minor Factions now, so there is no hope of seeing them added later on as playable factions, while the Sowers and Automatons are stuck in limbo and we don't even know if they still exist in the "rebooted" universe.

I keep seeing that stated. Wouldn't it be more logical to assume Minor factions would be the first to be "uplifted" to full-on factions? They already have some of the work done to make them proper factions. Compared to starting from scratch, it makes way more sense to lift from Minors.

jimsurvak wrote:

Romeo wrote:

3) I suspect they simply don't know about the manipulation of their genetics (See: STG with Krogan from Mass Effect). How would you react if someone told you humanity wasn't a natural evolution from primates, but rather an alien-derived super evolution? You'd likely deny such a claim too.

But... what if I do believe we are super weapons?

I'd have to recommend a psychologist answer that question.

jimsurvak wrote:

I would've liked to have played them as a major faction this time around, just for fun. I'm much more of a UE player, though so I'm not too broke up about it.

Wish I could say the same thing...

Don't get me wrong, I love ES2 and enjoy playing them, but besides the Cravers and the Unfallen I don't really have any favorite factions.

The Amoeba and Hissho are Minor Factions now, so there is no hope of seeing them added later on as playable factions, while the Sowers and Automatons are stuck in limbo and we don't even know if they still exist in the "rebooted" universe.

I would've liked to have played them as a major faction this time around, just for fun. I'm much more of a UE player, though so I'm not too broke up about it.

jimsurvak wrote:

Romeo wrote:

3) I suspect they simply don't know about the manipulation of their genetics (See: STG with Krogan from Mass Effect). How would you react if someone told you humanity wasn't a natural evolution from primates, but rather an alien-derived super evolution? You'd likely deny such a claim too.

But... what if I do believe we are super weapons?

That's kind of like the Hissho culture, they hone themselves into living weapons.

Romeo wrote:

3) I suspect they simply don't know about the manipulation of their genetics (See: STG with Krogan from Mass Effect). How would you react if someone told you humanity wasn't a natural evolution from primates, but rather an alien-derived super evolution? You'd likely deny such a claim too.

But... what if I do believe we are super weapons?

UndeadPuppy wrote:

1) Were the Hissho native to Sykagoja, or did the Endless just relocated specimens here for testing? I haven't' been able to find any details about the Hissho homeworld in ES1 or ES2, as the planet isn't named in the lore. 

2) Why were the Concrete Endless such jerks? Granted, the Virtuals were far from being saints, but before ES2, previous lore had us believe that the Concrete faction was somewhat more "conservative" and less "indulgent" than their counterparts. Yet with EL and ES2 lore, they seem to have turned into vicious, bloodthirsty, bored gods with the attention span of toddlers. 

3) If the events that took place on this planet are to be believed, then the ancestors of the Hissho were aware that the Endless intervened in their evolutionary process, yet in more recent times, they deny any involvement:

The Hissho themselves hold that they evolved from avian creatures, independently of a higher alien race. However, there are some vague indications that the Endless at the very least tampered with their evolutionary path for their own amusement.

 Why are they lying about it?

4) Also, on the subject of evolution, what are the Mavros? Are they Sophons with different political views? A subspecies? Both?

When and why did they decide to split from their geeky brothers?

1) I'll have to replay ES, but I believe that's their actual homeworld, not a relocation.

2) The Concrete are certainly not saints! They just held a different view about mortality (The Virtuals wanted immortality; The Concrete viewed that idea as wrong). The Concrete were the first to wage war, their actions were the ones that caused the Disharmony to go to war, and they created the Sowers to basically act as a slave race. Both sides of the Endless were capable of both great and terrible actions.

3) I suspect they simply don't know about the manipulation of their genetics (See: STG with Krogan from Mass Effect). How would you react if someone told you humanity wasn't a natural evolution from primates, but rather an alien-derived super evolution? You'd likely deny such a claim too.

4) They're absolutely the same species as Sophons, but seem to have a physiological difference in attitude. Whereas the Sophon are naturally drawn towards creation, the Mavros are naturally drawn to destruction. Their societies each reflect this: The Sophons remain a major player in the galaxy due to their immense intellect; The Mavros are comparatively irrelevant because of their inability to create anything non-destructive.