In general I'd love the Harmony and Hissho to make a return. 

If we were to add Aurigans as well I'd like to see Drakken, Cultists, Kazanji, and Space Pugs like Ayari as full fleshed factions(with the pug faction being a scienece based faction).

In terms of plain aesthetic Bhagaba look like they would make a great Major faction as well, but their niche to aesthetic is filled by the unfallen. The Kal'Tik'Mas and Galvrans look amazing and just because of their artwork I would love for them to be major factions!

I feel like some of the other factions like the pilgrims or sisters of mercy are really well suited to being minor races but they look like they could stand on their own as well.

Remnant all the way. They just look so intriguingly indifferent in all their artwork. I love finding them in game nestled on some Lava world not giving a hoot. 

It'd be great to see that on a major faction scale. Having them settled on all the unmanageable systems nobody wants, just pumping out ridic industry. 

If I had to chose I would say that I want the Sowers as a major faction, because I really like their astetic.

but otherwise I would just say that I would like all of them as major faction, just give me more lore and I will be happy.

Groo wrote:

Suis3i wrote:

Sooooo it seems like everyone wants either the Sowers, Amoeba, and Harmony/Pulsos *cough* Amplitude 

(Hypothetically) *cough*

*cough, proceeds to delete "(Hypothetically)" from the title*

Serpentofshadow wrote:

Remnant and Epistis because I really want more robot races. 

What he said. In fact, just make one of them a Major faction with the other being the sub-faction that it starts with. Vote on it.

Suis3i wrote:

Sooooo it seems like everyone wants either the Sowers, Amoeba, and Harmony/Pulsos *cough* Amplitude 

(Hypothetically) *cough*

Exarch1 wrote:

Harmony/Pulsos and Pilgrims are the ones i would like to see as major Faction.

GrendelHime wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               Now that the Sowers have been added my top three would be: the Sowers, the Amoeba and the Bhagaba. I really love the more 'alien' factions.

UndeadPuppy wrote:                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            

Sowers, Amoeba and Pulsos/Harmony for me.  

I also wouldn't mind seeing the Automatons make a return as a Major Faction, or maybe even the Necrophage from EL as another Militarist faction.

Sooooo it seems like everyone wants either the Sowers, Amoeba, and Harmony/Pulsos *cough* Amplitude 

IceGremlin wrote:

I was thinking about Hissho yesterday and concluded that they could be a cool Ecologist, slow take on Military.

They had a feature all about momentum, which discouraged changing diplomatic relations. So there could be a really cool "Ritual" system where you get these bonuses that grow over time, but you can only have one or two active at a time, and they have to be targeted. So you can get a +15% FIDSI bonus from Peace with one chosen faction, or +30% Damage in war against another. But if the former backstabs you, you have no vendetta prepared and just lost that 15% bonus you took ten turns to spin up.

They'd also have side traits for +100% Dust from War Reparations, 50% of War Reparations added to Science on Empire, and maybe a damage bonus based on how negative their War Pressure is. So overall a very honorable, honest faction which is rewarded for their follow through, because shifting relations threaten their carefully cultivated bonuses, but they get some benefit from the occasional side war for an honorable scuffle.

I really like those changes you suggested to how the Hissho gameplay works 

They'd make the faction extremely unique in playstyle and make them something more than Bird-Space-Samurai's that want to conquer the whole galaxy  

Sowers, Amoeba and Pulsos/Harmony for me.  

I also wouldn't mind seeing the Automatons make a return as a Major Faction, or maybe even the Necrophage from EL as another Militarist faction.

I was thinking about Hissho yesterday and concluded that they could be a cool Ecologist, slow take on Military.

They had a feature all about momentum, which discouraged changing diplomatic relations. So there could be a really cool "Ritual" system where you get these bonuses that grow over time, but you can only have one or two active at a time, and they have to be targeted. So you can get a +15% FIDSI bonus from Peace with one chosen faction, or +30% Damage in war against another. But if the former backstabs you, you have no vendetta prepared and just lost that 15% bonus you took ten turns to spin up.

They'd also have side traits for +100% Dust from War Reparations, 50% of War Reparations added to Science on Empire, and maybe a damage bonus based on how negative their War Pressure is. So overall a very honorable, honest faction which is rewarded for their follow through, because shifting relations threaten their carefully cultivated bonuses, but they get some benefit from the occasional side war for an honorable scuffle.

Now that the Sowers have been added my top three would be: the Sowers, the Amoeba and the Bhagaba. I really love the more 'alien' factions.

Harmony/Pulsos and Pilgrims are the ones i would like to see as major Faction.

plutar wrote:

Kal'Tik'Mas for sure, something to do with exiles of the galaxy that would be rocking.  I love there look and lore too, I'm with the OP on this one! 

Hissho remind me of Cravers but ninja cravers, I don't like that idea, the pilgrams were neat too.  Harmony I never liked (no idea why).  The Pulsos would be a cool addition but with there pop bonus RNG on galaxy would be through the roof.  So get me some Kal'Tik'Mas scavengers and lets go to war!  I want a scrappy minor/major faction!

Yeeessss Plutar 

Honestly, I never liked the Harmony in ES1, but with their expanded lore, and the addition of the Pulsos, as well as the updates to how they look, I'd be really down for them. 

TyrranusLord wrote:

Drakken, Harmony/Pulsos, Sowers would be my top 3 in order

Space Dragons my dude

Drakken, Harmony/Pulsos, Sowers would be my top 3 in order

Lightjolly wrote:

Definetely Sefaoloros

They're just perfect. More so than Horatio.

Lmaoo, yes, yes they are, Horatio might be coming for them 

Thought I'd "reopen" this feed since 5 new minor factions were just added in and I'm curious if anyone wants them as a major faction 

Amoeba.

Not only are they disappointing as a Minor Faction

+5 Food

But they were one of the most unique feeling factions in ES1. We need more passive aggressive factions in all 4x games.

Of the current minors I'd most like to see the Amoeba out of the old factions or the Bhagaba out of the new. I'm most interested in the ES1 factions and those that are more 'alien'.

The faction I'd least like to see upgraded are the Epistis, as they just seem like a less interesting version of the Sowers to me. A collective of ancient terraforming drones that have re-interpreted their programming as something akin to a religious crusade/movement is just a far more compelling, interesting and unusual (and therefore Amplitude-esque) idea than a rogue AI that has seemingly killed its creators. Maybe that's just me being salty that my favourite race aren't even a minor faction in ES2 though.

I'd rather see something new. I like the minor factions as they are though. At one point I was pretty sure the Hissho would return as a major but I don't think they will now... But who knows...

Mavros ftw!! 

Hissho and Pilgrims too.

Maybe an improve custom faction creator could allow it.

TheTakenKing wrote:

Having thought about this before, my first choice is pretty clear: I'd like to see the Bhagaba as a major faction, with the quest and gameplay focused around the balance of power between the natural supercomputer and the Bhagaba 'avatars'. Hopefully the questline would explore the morality and ethics of an AI-created civilization - what rights do the Bhagaba have as creations of the Mind, especially considering that they are individually sentient/intelligent? What should the civilization strive for - the esoteric research into the mysteries of the universe that the Minds desire, or the physical growth and success of the Bhagaba citizens?

Mechanically speaking, one of the ideas would be that new Minds must be created for each colony, which take science to build (research in this civilization being driven by the Minds, which must participate in the creation of new Minds because they are so complex), but provide very large science bonuses, especially early in the game. When not expanding, research develops quickly; but the creation of new colonies basically halts scientific research (at least until the later parts of the game, when systems have well-developed infrastructure).

Also, it looks like the official wiki is in dire need of an update. This is the tagline for the Bhagaba:

"The Bhagaba are very strong and dangerous fighters. They become deadly on water planets..."

I'd also like to see the Bhagaba as a major faction but in regard to the wiki; I think that's a nod to their pop 50 bonus;

Having thought about this before, my first choice is pretty clear: I'd like to see the Bhagaba as a major faction, with the quest and gameplay focused around the balance of power between the natural supercomputer and the Bhagaba 'avatars'. Hopefully the questline would explore the morality and ethics of an AI-created civilization - what rights do the Bhagaba have as creations of the Mind, especially considering that they are individually sentient/intelligent? What should the civilization strive for - the esoteric research into the mysteries of the universe that the Minds desire, or the physical growth and success of the Bhagaba citizens?

Mechanically speaking, one of the ideas would be that new Minds must be created for each colony, which take science to build (research in this civilization being driven by the Minds, which must participate in the creation of new Minds because they are so complex), but provide very large science bonuses, especially early in the game. When not expanding, research develops quickly; but the creation of new colonies basically halts scientific research (at least until the later parts of the game, when systems have well-developed infrastructure).

Also, it looks like the official wiki is in dire need of an update. This is the tagline for the Bhagaba:

"The Bhagaba are very strong and dangerous fighters. They become deadly on water planets..."

Serpentofshadow wrote:

It would be easy enough to change a minor faction to be an "off shoot". Similar to how the Pulsos are a subgroup of the Harmony.

Hopefully one of the devs reads this thread and gets inspired.

Exactly. If the Sophons have a subspecies Minor Faction then why can't the Amoeba?

There aren't any real constraints to upgrading their status.

Remnant, Harmony, Amoeba, and Epistis. Remnant and Epistis because I really want more robot races. If we are talking about bringing ES1 races back, add Sowers and Automatons to the mix (more robot races!). Harmony and Amoeba had awesome ship designs and were interesting both mechanically and lore wise.

I am aware that some of them, mechanic wise, have a replacement faction in ES2. However, I trust Amplitude to create a new/modified and interesting mechanic for all of them.

We could really use a religious faction that is able to convert (since Vodyani can't). Probably Epistis, since their lore says they are fanatical.

We also need someone to introduce some form of stealth and espionage. Remnants could be good for that, as they were assassins.

Harmony might not have dust, but they could have a much greater need for strategics.

Amoeba also could be the stealth race, since their ES2 lore says they can detach their consciousness. Easy to spy when you don't have a physical body.

It would be easy enough to change a minor faction to be an "off shoot". Similar to how the Pulsos are a subgroup of the Harmony.

Hopefully one of the devs reads this thread and gets inspired.

All of the ES1 races, like the Amoeba or Hissho.

I really wouldn't mind if some of them got uplifted to Major status.

Gnashast or Haroshem. They'd be a bit tough granted, but the Gnashast give the impression of a really cool pseudo-Vault Hunters deal, with scattered settlements full of partisans and warriors. Very William Wallace kinda guys.

Haroshem give the impression of a sort of peaceful and hopeful take on Mad Max. They'd make a great Roving Clans analogue, desert traders trying to make life better for everyone and keep everyone fed. They're Pacifist right now but I think they'd make a good Ecologist empire about feeding a diverse civilization, unlike Horatio who needs special dispensation to do the opposite yet still count as Ecologist.

I don't really know what either would do for a unique Affinity granted, but Gnashast could have some sort of war momentum so they can fight lengthy defensive forever-revolutions.

The Hissho were my favorites in ES1 so I would like to see them....re-explored.

Harmony would add an interesting dynamic to the whole dust / Lost Gods thing but it might be too complicated to integrate with the Academy quest.

Pilgrims I quite liked in ES1 but I don't see what they would bring to the table that's new.  The whole nomadic religious space faction is already, to a certain extent, filled by the Vodyani.