Kweel_Nakashyn wrote:

THANK YOU ! :)

Just a question though :

"A part of their growth" is transformed into manpower at a 1:1 ratio.

What is the part of the growth, 

- when the system still have room to generate population : 50% ?

- when the system have no more room for population : 100% ? Or 50% and the rest is wasted ?

Growth is actually how food is called in the files (same way voydanis are vampirilis and lumeries are called venitians <.<) if you are a dev you may call it growth because you are used to, but it's food to players ;)

#theguyfiddlingtoohardwiththefiles

I belive adding a tech that would allow surplus food to get into manpower once you caped your pop would be good

Thanks for the guide! It's pretty helpful to actually understand how the whole MP-system works.

How do we know, though, how much manpower we get out of each food that is automatically consumed for manpower? 1 for each 1?

It is indeed a 1:1 rate :) (added).

the thing is there is no way for now to put "weight" on the distribution of manpower in our empire, all our ships and all our systems will receive the same amount of troops while we may need to actually focus them (for the creation of an invasion force for instance). The ability to toggle the generation of troops from manpower in a system (and it's production line) should be a nice addon (or the ability to send troops from ships to refill empire manpower)

many possibilities, much work to do such wow

jhell wrote:

It is indeed a 1:1 rate :) (added).

Thanks for the clarification.

Pejman wrote:

the thing is there is no way for now to put "weight" on the distribution of manpower in our empire, all our ships and all our systems will receive the same amount of troops while we may need to actually focus them (for the creation of an invasion force for instance). The ability to toggle the generation of troops from manpower in a system (and it's production line) should be a nice addon (or the ability to send troops from ships to refill empire manpower)

many possibilities, much work to do such wow

Seconded!

If a system has reached maximum production is their any spill over in unused food for manpower production? Is their anyway to increase the amount of food used for manpower production?

If a system has reached maximum production is their any spill over in unused food for manpower production?

I suppose you meant to say population instead of production? Anyways, if your system is full, it will continue to provide a part of its growth to manpower (the rest is indeed wasted).

Is their anyway to increase the amount of food used for manpower production?

Several ways :). Most notably through laws and a tech (Survival Suits).

What is the part of the growth,

The base part of the growth taken for manpower is 10% (of the raw food generated by the system, that is, before food consumption is taken into account). You can make it vary using the ways mentionned above.

- when the system still have room to generate population : 50% ?

- when the system have no more room for population : 100% ? Or 50% and the rest is wasted ?

It's the same part regardless of system fullness. Currently when your system is full, in order to optimize your food output, you can enroll 1 population unit to gain a flat amount of manpower (it's like a system improvement that you queue, "Exotic Rations").

Will add those to OP.

Hi thanks for detailed infos.

Yesterday I've faced really weird things with 1.21 build and manpower, 

I had to build improvement "Exotic rations" (conversion of 10% food to manpower)  to be able to add manpower to the empire, even if a lot of my systems were full (max pop and, so every food goes to manpower right ?).

Manpower on  most systems were full as my ships too, but my manpower balance was still negative (though Empire manpower was stuck at 0, preventing me any manpower upgrades).

Do you know if it's the expected behavior ? 

Thanks

There is a building transferring food to production so that it doesn't go to waste.

As for manpower you can always produce "Exotic Rations" so that each turn you lose 1 population but get it back right away as you have so much food production.

That is 300 manpower so a reasonable number.

Problem here is the micro as you cannot queue this item multiple times (maybe we could have that changed?)

i can always set it as infinite and it will have it's effect every turn, do you think it could be good?

Thinking about it, will be possible to create an infinite improvement that generates manpower from your excess of food, once a system has maxed its pop?

Another question: in the image of military screen, I can read, just below the manpower panel: "BATTLE PLAYS DECK".

Perhaps it has something to do with suggestions in these forums and the new battle system for upcoming updates??

 (max pop and, so every food goes to manpower right ?)

No, currently the same % is applied even when the system is full (we are discussing solutions to tweak this).

Do you know if it's the expected behavior ? 

It's hard to say with only this info, maybe you used manpower to upgrade your troops, or for outpost actions, etc. If you have a save we can try to take a look and see if there is any problem :).

Problem here is the micro as you cannot queue this item multiple times (maybe we could have that changed?)

i can always set it as infinite and it will have it's effect every turn, do you think it could be good?

I was discussing that with Meedoc today. We will be considering a solution to the micro problem, but not sure in what direction yet. @Pejman I saw your mods, keep up the good work and thanks for bringing quick fixes to the community!

Another question: in the image of military screen, I can read, just below the manpower panel: "BATTLE PLAYS DECK".

Perhaps it has something to do with suggestions in these forums and the new battle system for upcoming updates??

As you know we're reworking the battle; this is a part of the rework, more precisely, the "Battle Play Deck", detailed in @MysteryArts post here. It's still heavily WIP :)

lo_fabre wrote:

Thinking about it, will be possible to create an infinite improvement that generates manpower from your excess of food, once a system has maxed its pop?

I do think a bonus item in production queue as you describe would be helpful, maybe an additional +10% food to manpower generation?  I wouldn't want to be able to convert all of the excess food into manpower, too easy to resolve the difficult situation of over-producing vessels that way.  Not sure if that's what you were suggesting.

AquaticSonarKey wrote:

lo_fabre wrote:

Thinking about it, will be possible to create an infinite improvement that generates manpower from your excess of food, once a system has maxed its pop?

I do think a bonus item in production queue as you describe would be helpful, maybe an additional +10% food to manpower generation?  I wouldn't want to be able to convert all of the excess food into manpower, too easy to resolve the difficult situation of over-producing vessels that way.  Not sure if that's what you were suggesting.

I was suggesting something like "Public 3D printing " or "Planet cracker", this king of infinite improvements that give you dust or science from idle systems.

My idea is making the same, but instead of converting industry into dust/science, it converts food into manpower. It can only be queued when system is at max pop (according to this system lvl, colonized planets, etc.., so your max pop ATM, and not theoretical max pop), and when its in the queue, this system is only producing manpower, not any other thing. It also should require unlocking via tech, quest or whatever you like.

I also considered an improvement like the "Biofuel plant" from era VI that converts excess food into industry, but not sure if this can be overpowered in late game. So I didn't posted it, and think that is better having a downside to this method, like the proposed before: you need a full and idle system, and of course need to think if its better to use it for dust or science.

May be working a bit on it, is possible to make it an idea? Not even sure.