Somebody told me that bumping things make patch slower. Bumping things is actually a very dark act, coming from the deepest time of humanity, before the rise of civilization, when we were only slaves from gods of the evil. Stop bumping things. It scare me.

Even flak on multiple ships focuses one missile?

Instead they now have a entire series of weapons that are competitively useless.  

Those who read gzars post as if he is angry, i assure you hes not. Just direct.  I tend to soften and hint, not as direct. I just wish I could have sandboxed with somebody while this was on the table to be addressed. 

they wanted a high risk reward weapon. I advocated for reverse efficiencies on both sides. Like beams 25/50/100 long to short lasers 100/50/25 short to long.  Missles the same way as lasers and kinetics the same as missles. That way all the different ranges on thr battle cards mattered in your strategic thinking.  

Plutar, can you remember why FLAK was increased to those levels in the first place? I was trying to remember if that was ever a request in the G2G Balance mod.

Inwaves, your right, missles are extremely situational.  I played a MP game and built a multiplayer fleet with only missles.  This was done just as a joke, laughed about until my opponennt put in a counter.   My opponent didn't bother with a flak ship, so I smoked him until he put in a single flak ship.  The original point of this thread was to point out how grossly over efficient flak is. If there isn;t enough flak to stop the missles, missles are deadly.

It's a matter of efficiency, currently in game kinetics are too situational to be of any use (you have to be at close range for them to do any damage) and flak is FAR to efficient at taking out missles from the midgame forward.

3 Carriars worth of missles should be enough missles to kill ONE attacker, even if hes a flak specialist.   In no way should that ever happen.  

Thanks Inwaves, that's a very helpful test you ran! I'll definitely look into this with more detail :)

Kynrael wrote:

Gzar wrote:

Even flak on multiple ships focuses one missile?

The more a missile is being targeted, the more it will be targeted basically. The logic being you want your flaks to make sure they're destroying missiles - spreading fire means taking the risk of not destroying any missiles. Range is taken into account of course.

This is actually reassuring and the most logical course for it. Incidentally it could also be a reason why they are so efficient if they currently have time to retarget after incepting each missile one-by-one with overwhelming force. Perhaps increasing the cooldown again would resolve it without altering individual values?

Curious to see what these new modules are - if the railguns have new particle fx I will be quite hyped - and what visuals you settle on for flak. (I actually quite like Stellaris' laser point-defense approach, it's satisfying to watch.)

CyRob wrote:

Kynrael wrote: [...] Not to spoil, but if the Free Week-end goes well there might be some addition that fills in that role... :)

Well we are already 75% towards the Ship Modules Pack, I do like that sound of the additions (Energy Squadrons, Swarm missiles and Railgun modules)

Those sound so YUMMY!

Gzar wrote:

Even flak on multiple ships focuses one missile?

The more a missile is being targeted, the more it will be targeted basically. The logic being you want your flaks to make sure they're destroying missiles - spreading fire means taking the risk of not destroying any missiles. Range is taken into account of course.

Kynrael wrote: [...] Not to spoil, but if the Free Week-end goes well there might be some addition that fills in that role... :)

Well we are already 75% towards the Ship Modules Pack, I do like that sound of the additions (Energy Squadrons, Swarm missiles and Railgun modules)

Well from the modules they named in the new modules pack, I have a suspicion that Railguns will be the hard hitting kinetic weapon and that Swarm missiles will now be used to counter flak. Perhaps standard Kinetics will now be relegated properly to flak duty only.

The flak focuses fire on one missile at a time. I'll have to go over the maths I did then - we're also working a bit on how flaks should look and that's why we were trying things out with range, flak cooldown, etc...

We also need to be careful not to have missiles be too powerful and be able on their own to punch through Flak defences. Not to spoil, but if the Free Week-end goes well there might be some addition that fills in that role... :)

Stuff like this must drive you guys nuts, nobody want'ed to sandbox last week :(

missles are highly effective going against ships without projectiles lol

Seems like we missed that the flaks were too efficient. Will fix this ASAP.

That's essentially what I remember of my last games with the mod. A single flak gun on every ship and you were just safe of any missile. I think it was mentioned before as well and thought it would be fixed honestly.

It's funny XD

Love this game, but this mechanic so broken :D