I really don't think this was intended lol. Are any devs looking into this? The image I have of a tiny ship just friggen blowing the hell out of a Mascross Missle Massacar is hilarious, but unrealistic haha.

Thanks !

Yes so, above all those technical or statistic problem. The main challenge is to give them back their roles to the weapons ? I mean the roles they were supposed to have on the paper after the weapon rework ?

So, mainly, the most important things would be to :

1. nerf the flaks ?
2. nerf the beams ?
3. tweak the leasers (like they make less damage at short and long range ?)
4. increase specialisation of the armors types ?
5. Rework some tactics ?
6. I don't know about the rest (fighters, modules, etc)

Is that a proper (but incomplete) sum-up about what you think is needed to do in a first place ? Or is that absolutly not what you think :d ?

Dragar wrote:

Kynrael wrote:

OK, so I've read through all your messages. A lot to unpack, but thanks for discussing this between yourselves, it's very helpful. We are aware of the flak, fighter and tactics cards issues. I'm suprised to see that you think Kinetics are not strong enough in close range - but that can be changed! :D

A huge issue is that close-ranged almost never occurs unless both players want it to. The issue is probably not that slugs are too weak in close range, but that close-range may as well not exist as a range.

This is true. Even if you use close range to counter long range position, it will take you 2 full phase until it get into that range which step back to how ES1 combat turn out. The current flotila position system is so wonky.

Fighters currently doesn't has any use. It can't even down bombers. Either it need to be effective at hunting down bombers, slow down their attack, or capable to counter missiles.

I am fine with Beams having perfect accuracy, but maybe, if it possible, having it damage multipier the closer it get to target? I kinda miss how Beams decimated everything when it get into close range.

Kynrael wrote:

OK, so I've read through all your messages. A lot to unpack, but thanks for discussing this between yourselves, it's very helpful. We are aware of the flak, fighter and tactics cards issues. I'm suprised to see that you think Kinetics are not strong enough in close range - but that can be changed! :D

A huge issue is that close-ranged almost never occurs unless both players want it to. The issue is probably not that slugs are too weak in close range, but that close-range may as well not exist as a range.

Hi everyone!

@plutar

"Currently fighters either need more uses, or force bombers to stall, but in this situation bombers will then become pointless and never used."

Just to make sure, you mean "fighters will become pointless" right?

OK, so I've read through all your messages. A lot to unpack, but thanks for discussing this between yourselves, it's very helpful. We are aware of the flak, fighter and tactics cards issues. I'm suprised to see that you think Kinetics are not strong enough in close range - but that can be changed! :D

I would be interested to hear more about how you guys would go about differentiating beams and lasers. We kinda want to keep the beams at 100 / 100 / 100 so that they can be used as tactical counters (use a battle card that will outplay the other player's), as we find this to be an interesting way to play.

Cheers,

I doubt it is dilemma from ES1. Long ago, missiles is the way to go weapon since it instant gib everything in first phase. There is no medium, or close phase. The battle end in missiles swarm. The weapons system never done right and it always has some annoying issue with it. I wish Flak is one of defensive or support slots rather than offensive. ES1 has Chaff as defensive slot. I feel like we should return to that way since having giant size Slug act as flak look weird to me.

plutar wrote:

There is no contradiction. If you have a single flak ship missles cannot get through. The ships in your example are not carrying enough flak to stop missles. The point is the are too counterable. Playing against the AI is very different.

Also by flak ship we are talking tier 2 projectiles all kinetics.  ANY amount of missles cant get through.

Take a close look at the ss of three carriars vs one snall ship.

The point of the OP is very much a core problem. Direct and concise. 

Thanks for all the info!  As somone who just recently started ES2, I just wanted to check: so the Kinetic FLAK effect can protect not only the ship that the Kinetic module is installed on, but also all other ships in the same Flotilla, even if those ships have no Kinetic Flak modules?

Thanks again ! A of things are clear and related now !

Good night ! If you are at my side of this planet ! If you are not, good day !

Thats it. 

1. Seperate armor from shields in some fashion (If you have armor and shields, they can't prject against both, currently they do protect against both)

2.  Flak efficiency is crazy too high, missles need a base invasion (or something to make them viable) upping the damage is NOT the answer.  The damage they COULD do to a flakless ship is probably too high as is.  This is very delicate.  The balance can completely swing one way or the other.

3.  Differentiate between the beam/lasers.   Make one good at X another good at Y, the 50/100/50 vs 100/100/100 there is no decernable difference in DPS when you average long range to short.

4.  Decrease the specalization of armor but make them completely seperate defense mechanism's from one another.  Unless the devolopers are going with my idea to merge defenses then its a whole different ballgame.  (this is the assumption they want them to function seperatly, one being good at defending against projectile weapons the other against energy)

5.  Make tactic battle cards more interesting by literally changeing everything,  give cards a boost to projectile damage, maybe throw a card in to increase missle evasion, increased energy damage, remove penetration mechanisms as defense cards, ect.   Make more than just a few cards out of 20+ cards useable in a competitive game.  

6.  Make fighters STALL the bombers, or do SOMETHING, the hunter damage buff was enough to remove the small ship spam issue.  Currently fighters either need more uses, or force bombers to stall, but in this situation bombers will then become pointless and never used.  So not sure how to fix this, but it needs fixing.

Inwaves that was on my list.

+1 especially on a curiosity drop, those should be the most rewarding cards in the game.

Yeah and that thought i forgot something. What Gzar said about shields. 

Also shields have the same 100% efficiency against both energy and projectile weapons.