@Ellerby i like the design and the intro for the shadows. The decloaking and the appearance of the ship was nifty.

I've never watched babylon 5 (probably should) do they show in the show what the shadows and the vorlons look like. do they have a similar apperance or style to their ships?

When i saw the vorlons ships i thought they were supposed to be flying the opposite direction (i thought that was big armor plating on the front kind of like hammerhead sharks. would be pretty cool to have ships like that for a different species/faction.

@Tyco

These are Shadows

and this is a Vorlon.

You do get to see them now and again throughout the show, there is actually a war between them going on. A large part of there appeal however comes from the mystery surrounding them. I dont want to spoil anything for you so wont say more. 

If you can put up with it looking a little dated, then its definitely worth your time. One of my fave Sci Fi's ever. 

thiasss wrote:

Hi,

Second, I think as part of immersion the ships of a robot faction should be small and flat, because robots don't need living space and inconspicous ships are more suitable for a spy than big bulking space ships. It might even be an idea to not give the spy faction any large sized ships.

The ships need to be immersed with the functions of the robotic lifeforms. I think it's just immersive that weather the machine race was created for population control, military or like in KKND (very old game) agriculture robot, staying true to their main function makes it more immersive and more fun. For example upgraded spy satellites, that of now have hull plating a photon engine and weapon stations would fit in the espionage faction, though I'm not sure how cool they would look.

I think you're confusing robots with computerized AI or a virtualized being. In the case of an AI, it's likely that they would not require as much space as other beings, as the AI would inhabit the systems in the ship, i.e the ship would be the AI (or virtualized being). However, that actually begs the case that the ship should still be the same size or larger, as there would be less room spent on living quarters/life support and anything else living beings would require and more room spent on ship systems such as more powerful processors (nav systems, analytic systems) prob space, weapon/munition stores, engines/power or fuel cells, you kinda get the point. 

On the topic of robots, they do require some sort of living quarters as well as hallways, rooms (for munitions, the bridge, etc) and though it may be less than that of living beings, it would still be a sizable amount and so the same principle of having the same size or even larger ships with AIs applies to robots. As you have more room for other things, and in ship-to-ship combat, it would be detrimental to have a smaller ship (Amplitude employs a colonial styled battleship v.s. battleship combat system and so because of that, there must be larger ships) 

Though I'm not sure as to why you're talking about a robot spy faction, as the new faction is a living being, just an incorporeal/non-physical lifeform spy faction. 

OFF TOPIC, So Han Solo, Won't put any plot spoilers.

I put it below Rogue One, Above 123. very entertaining, also pretty good doesn't try to do to much.  And it is its own story very much so.  Also theres some room for some future solo'ing which all in all is a good thing. 

Where did Robots come into this convo on a spy ancient faction?  Robots would be the last thing I would imagine them to be.  In terms of game function on nodes (like dieing starts nebula's that kind of stuff) I would love to see this factions ships dissapear on the map if a cloak takes too much programming work, that could be fun.  Also for espionage function, the abiltity to steal tech is very strong, or systems, from a balancing standpoint would be fun, a challenge.  

plutar wrote:

OFF TOPIC, So Han Solo, Won't put any plot spoilers.

I put it below Rogue One, Above 123. very entertaining, also pretty good doesn't try to do to much.  And it is its own story very much so.  Also theres some room for some future solo'ing which all in all is a good thing. 

Where did Robots come into this convo on a spy ancient faction?  Robots would be the last thing I would imagine them to be.  In terms of game function on nodes (like dieing starts nebula's that kind of stuff) I would love to see this factions ships dissapear on the map if a cloak takes too much programming work, that could be fun.  Also for espionage function, the abiltity to steal tech is very strong, or systems, from a balancing standpoint would be fun, a challenge.  

On the topic of Han Solo, I thought it was pretty well done (Film-wise), ranking wise (out of the new movies + the prequels) I think it's; 

Rogue One 

Episode III

Solo 

Episode II 

Episode I 

Episode VII

Episode VIII

The last two are on the bottom because they're basically plagiarised versions of the original trilogy with little to no originality. 

[Spoilers? Kinda, not really?] 

Without spoiling too much, the ending is such a teaser, you'll be shook. 

I have no idea where robots came into this discussion; I just responded to his post lmao. 

For the new espionage faction, I just really want to see cloaking modules/devices and the ability to have true outposts, like military/industrial/trade/etc outposts on special nodes and systems. Stealing tech is meh, I prefer the method of researching all the techs on lower tiers and trading a bunch of them for super higher up tech that's worth more, so I'm indifferent to whether or not its included. But sabotaging systems and fleets and assassinations are a must. 

Hero Assasination would be really interesting, I know I kept the spoilers (there were not any in my original post)to a minimum.  But on the ending note of SOLO, there needs to be a movie about that.  Just that.  That would make me happy, very happy, because in the comics, there is SO MUCH MORE than anybody who has ever seen the movies about this "character in question" and its all f-ing awesome. 

Your ranking is sound, I 100% agree  the new ones were reboots, and the last Jedi VIII was so bad I can't even comprehend how it got past Q&A other than they invested millions and needed millions to get out of the hole they were in.  It completely flopped in china due to lack of any cheorography to the fight scenes, and quite frankly, they made the force a gift rather than something learned, and I hated that.  You can't just go "click" and be the best of the best.  The force is pain, learning, romanticized, a religion, that needs to be studied before mastered EVER. I could vent about how terrible it was for hours. I'm glad it flopped, hope disney learned a valuable lesson.  And since when did we need star wars fuel and gps to suddenly be a thing in that universe to have a good story.  Lazy ass writers.. GAH /end rant

So Cloaking/Scanning modules/Sabotaging and mobile trade routes, LOVE it :)  All areas that could pretty easily be expanded upon to be made great. 

I wonder if they could make the Hero Assassination work in a way where you can assassinate fleet admirals, just imagine your hero leading a large fleet in enemy territory only to be assassinated.

If they just keep making "A Star Wars Story" movies instead of continuing their feeble attempts at rewriting the post original-trilogy then they'd probably have more successful (and actually good) films. I would dig the "character in question" film or films, that would honestly be amazing. 

They made the new story (stories) so plain and basic, and oversimplified everything so that it no longer really sells to audiences under the age of 13. And yeah the choreography was terrible, how do you make a film with a budget that large and not have good choreography, like have they ever watched the Old Republic trailers ?? The fight scenes in those were amazing and it's not that hard for them to get some good animators if they just want to 'CGI' all the fight scenes, or you know do what other good films do and actually put effort into them and hire good choreographers. 

And honestly, why is it that she suddenly gains amazing abilities after looking into Kylo Rens mind and shortly training under an old Luke (who arguably wasn't that great of a Jedi knight in Legends, fighting skill wise). And making the force simply good and bad, dark and light ? It was always more complicated than that originally. RIP Star Wars if Disney doesn't learn from its mistakes. 

Yeah I can't wait to see what they come up with and I hope those are included 

I had a thought about fighter deployment for the new ships.. assuming that they are Monolith designs then i was thinking kind of like a stone monolith ship flying with maybe smaller rocks that would break off or be kind of docked on the ship and fly away. not sure how i would design the fighters and bombers. so far rocks seems to be on my mind lol. kind of like an extra growth on the ship that detaches and flies. these rocks can be replaced with turrets in those locations if they choose those instead.



As for The solo reviews and opinions, thanks for sharing. So far with your reviews and one other it sounds like a good movie thats worth seeing. I was worried about the movie especially after the last jedi mess. but it sounds like its a good movie. I just need someone to go with to see the movie, so far my friends have either seen, dont care or will wait till dvd/stream. 

As for my order for star wars movies favorites (that ive seen not including solo)

Rogue one

Episode 6

Episode 3

Episode 4 or 5

Episode 1 or 2

Gap

Gap

Gap

Force awakens

Gap

Gap

Gap

Gap

The last jedi

I cant say that force awakens or the last jedi are near as good as any of the other movies so they need some spaces down the list

I am really happy that you guys like the prequels too, my friends all seem to bash them saying that there was nothing good in them. i really liked episode 3. I mean i really like mass battle scenes thats why the top three are war movies. So many fun things in the prequels, sure they had some issues.

About the robot ships from earlier i was sharing some similar ideas but in the form of them being shadow wraiths and not having a physcial form and thus not needing much in the form of hulls or hallways. If they were a robotic race im not sure if they would necesarrialy need large ships to house their operating systems and cooling. they might be able to get away with one large control ship (like the ark for the voidyani) and then the rest of their ships would be drones of sort. They wouldnt need the same level of systems to operate and just be remote operated. But that is just if they were robotic not wraiths, also it wouldnt necesarially work with the current ship format of other races. It could if done right.

As for assasinations i would say that your fleet heros should only be allowed to be killed if they are stationary over a world. Would be a neat idea to have a hero killed in transit. Like having a killer amongst the crew come from the shadows and kill before hiding among the crew again. Would we make it that heros for the team would be the assassins as well them having the option to be fleet and planet heros.

And another thing about star wars. i agree that there are so many things as mentioned by @Plutar wrong with the last jedi. Far too many things that annoy me such as the fuel and fin and roses entire story. its just too much to get into. 

Also thanks for not adding spoilers i hope to see solo soon