While it makes invasion pretty smooth i guess it needs to be said.

Creating special ships only for siege loss is way too powerfull.

In every one of my games i dont need much manpower at all, because i usally dont lose much of them anyway. I alway create special ships with the siege loss improvement (Titanium A2S Slugs) so that i only need 2-4 turns to completly wipe out enemy defenses to 0. Invading the system afterwards is not even a fight, i instantly win and just take the system.

This one module makes ground battles completly trivial and i thought i cant be the only one thinking that.

Agreed. Manpower/invasions mechanics are quickly made redundant by Titanium A2S slugs.

A solution would be to limit their number per ship. That way you need to bring way more ships to the invasion if you want to really eat away at system manpower.

Consider that slug ships, unlike manpower ships, have to STAY IN SYSTEM to continue sieging, whereas a "dropship" can dump it's MP and run off if need be.  The above point about slugs taking up critical module slots and CP is also valid, though no more so than manpower modules.  The reason A2s slugs seem less useful is that invading and sieging both attack the same stat, but sieging can be STOPPED.  A fleet of slugs can be chased off, but once sufficient manpower is dropped on a system, that's it.  It's getting taken and there's squat the defender can do but sacrifice population or give it up early.

That said, slugs also don't require extra manpower to fill, leaving more for your other ships without demanding masses of extra food.

If someone has a huge fleet to protect another huge bomber fleet, that sounds like that one deserves to win the planet tbh.

Dreepa wrote:

If someone has a huge fleet to protect another huge bomber fleet, that sounds like that one deserves to win the planet tbh.

Sure but because those bombers belong to the tech tier 2 that opens a lot of rush possibilities and pushes factions that already prevail in the early agression to the limit. Horatio and Unfallen have tough early game against cravers and empire even without slugs, but when those can rush them faster than you can set your defenses or build fleets...

mamarider wrote:

[...] I agree that it makes invasions against AI pretty dumb.

Put dumb in it. I once managed to kill a sophons, like you, in endless difficulty in turn under turn 40 at fast speed by dominating all his most usefull systems, but not whit a titanium a2 slug strategy, but a basic manpower one. 

If AI learned to get tanks early... they would be much more better in play.

Hi,

We have been reworking part of the ground battle ecosystem and the manpower modules should be much more useful in the next update. If the slugs are still deemed too powerful after that we'll look into solutions.

Thanks for the feedback!

Velorace how did you support that amount of manpower through all the battles? You lose A LOT of manpower when they pop a system defense strategy that exchanges 1 pop for troops several times in a row. And AI seems to build a lot of defensive buildings after 1-2 acts of agression towards them. Also slugs let you not even care about gaining manpower in the first place. Every new colony absorbs 200 manpower as well, and your initial mp production is super low. I tried eraly manpower invasions myself and they only worked smoothly with factions who produce a lot of food and with Exotic Rations or Patriot Pills Plant supporting my manpower reserves, because I lost about 30-50% of my troops every invasion and had to refill in conquered systems after. 

jhell wrote:

Hi,

We have been reworking part of the ground battle ecosystem and the manpower modules should be much more useful in the next update. If the slugs are still deemed too powerful after that we'll look into solutions.

Thanks for the feedback!

You leave my slugs alone you monster.

Frogsquadron wrote:

jhell wrote:

Hi,

We have been reworking part of the ground battle ecosystem and the manpower modules should be much more useful in the next update. If the slugs are still deemed too powerful after that we'll look into solutions.

Thanks for the feedback!

You leave my slugs alone you monster.

Conflict brewing??? 

You think the Titanium ones are strong, the Quest Slugs are the Best Slugs, adds manpower and sieging power in one module! :D

mamarider wrote:

Velorace how did you support that amount of manpower through all the battles? You lose A LOT of manpower when they pop a system defense strategy that exchanges 1 pop for troops several times in a row. And AI seems to build a lot of defensive buildings after 1-2 acts of agression towards them. Also slugs let you not even care about gaining manpower in the first place. Every new colony absorbs 200 manpower as well, and your initial mp production is super low. I tried eraly manpower invasions myself and they only worked smoothly with factions who produce a lot of food and with Exotic Rations or Patriot Pills Plant supporting my manpower reserves, because I lost about 30-50% of my troops every invasion and had to refill in conquered systems after. 

I think i may have sacrificed a great number of populations for the cause lol 

Plus i had only 4 systems at that rate, i remember...

Frogsquadron wrote:

jhell wrote:

Hi,

We have been reworking part of the ground battle ecosystem and the manpower modules should be much more useful in the next update. If the slugs are still deemed too powerful after that we'll look into solutions.

Thanks for the feedback!

You leave my slugs alone you monster.

Can't let it go eh? ;)

mamarider wrote:

Velorace how did you support that amount of manpower through all the battles? You lose A LOT of manpower when they pop a system defense strategy that exchanges 1 pop for troops several times in a row. And AI seems to build a lot of defensive buildings after 1-2 acts of agression towards them. Also slugs let you not even care about gaining manpower in the first place. Every new colony absorbs 200 manpower as well, and your initial mp production is super low. I tried eraly manpower invasions myself and they only worked smoothly with factions who produce a lot of food and with Exotic Rations or Patriot Pills Plant supporting my manpower reserves, because I lost about 30-50% of my troops every invasion and had to refill in conquered systems after. 

But i have to agree whit you... for some reason i found difficulties in beating the AI in endless mode. Moslty because he retreated tatically on his home system... damn.

plutar wrote:

You think the Titanium ones are strong, the Quest Slugs are the Best Slugs, adds manpower and sieging power in one module! :D

I have never found these.  They sound terrifying.

Daynen wrote:

plutar wrote:

You think the Titanium ones are strong, the Quest Slugs are the Best Slugs, adds manpower and sieging power in one module! :D

I have never found these.  They sound terrifying.

Those are sometimes given as a reward for completing the military deed in the third era. They grant 350 manpower capacity, 30 sieging power and 150 health.