So I was pretty convinced about cross-flotilla being set to long range. But look at this video of SB playing a battle.

Why are the missiles in the final phase so innacurate, if they are coming from another flotilla?

That is incorrect. Shots can still miss due to evasion if ships have that stat. 9 missed shots would indicate a very small % or total shots fired based on a laser weapons rof. And missed shots do visually show as missed. It is unlikely with a 50% hit rate at L range that one would only miss 9 shots unless only 20 or so shots where fired. I dont recall the exact rate of fire for lasers but my best guess based on visual ques is about 1 shot per sec, which is slower than kenetic that seem to fire every half second. 9 missed shots out of 40 shots per phase (phases are 40 sec each iirc) per laser module seems very low to me if they are at L range. I think more testing may be in order. Can you check to see if pirates have any evasion?

Evasion definitely wasn't involved, as the pirates model were the basic attacker hull with 4 movement.

Furthermore, the battle was over in two volleys for about 28 shots fired.

At most the pirates could have had 2% evasion with the recent nerfs, which wouldn't allow dodging 9 shots on their own.

Dragar wrote:

So I was pretty convinced about cross-flotilla being set to long range. But look at this video of SB playing a battle.

Why are the missiles in the final phase so innacurate, if they are coming from another flotilla?

From what I see on the video the thing is that missiles take time to reach the target and by the time they get to it is destroyed so they just keep on flying.

Missiles don't change targets once in flight. Also I believe there are bugs in the range accuracy being applied across flotillas.
As the target flotilla is at short range with the one oposing it then other flitillas might get their accuracy calculated based on that.

This is of course a bug that should be fixed.

Just like that dead zone firing arcs that should never be an issue but are present since day 1.

samsonazs wrote:

Dragar wrote:

So I was pretty convinced about cross-flotilla being set to long range. But look at this video of SB playing a battle.

Why are the missiles in the final phase so innacurate, if they are coming from another flotilla?

From what I see on the video the thing is that missiles take time to reach the target and by the time they get to it is destroyed so they just keep on flying.

Missiles don't change targets once in flight. Also I believe there are bugs in the range accuracy being applied across flotillas.
As the target flotilla is at short range with the one oposing it then other flitillas might get their accuracy calculated based on that.

This is of course a bug that should be fixed.

Just like that dead zone firing arcs that should never be an issue but are present since day 1.

At 23.30 of the video, no targets are destroyed but a large number of the cross-flotilla missiles miss their target.

I think you might be right about the 'bug', but I don't know what the intended design is, and it's very hard to intuit. I'd rather this thread were about what actually happens in combat, rather than what we intuit to be intended.

Sylver1109 wrote:

Cross-flotilla range is something that should be explained in the game. The Dev must clarify that point.

Would not help that much, the real issue is how flotillas arrange themselves during combat. It's awfully hard to anticipate wich flotillas will be where and how likely they will be able to engage other flotillas than the ones they were paired against. This is something I did fix in my mod on steam, Flotilla Pathing Rework (v.2); completely changed the formations and made several adjustments to range and projectile speed. 

gap81 wrote:

A better solution than trying to clarify this mess of a system is just modify it to be more simple and predictable. Currenlty the limited input you do get in the space combat system seems moot when you cant even clearly give commands to your ships that benfit them...since there is no way to really know what the commands you give will actually do in the fight in terms of range and closing manuvers during phases. 

The thing is, it is simple and predictible. Ships engage the flotilla they are paired against with the range accuracy set for each phases. The problem arise when they start shooting other flotillas; ships have firing arcs, line 1 and 3 can never shoot at each others, range accuracy now consider physical distance rather than phase. Flotillas trajectories are not arranged so flotillas can engage other lines with ease, often one can while the other cannot fire back. The real mess is the flotillas trajectories. And yeah it can be fixed, did it in my mod and it works (took me quite a while though). 

Remember that each of the possible 3 flotillas (lanes) has its own designated range based on the tactic you choose.

Range between flotillas from different lanes is always at LONG range regarless of the distance you see on the screen.

It appears this statement about cross flotilla Range is either no longer the case, or was missinformation. 

I will post a link below as evidence to this fact, but it seems that at least in cases where a flotilla opens the game against an empty lane, it then uses the center lane as its enganement target from Phase 1 forward. In the video you will see a situation where the enemy has two flotillas engaging on a single player controled ship. The batte tactic used Show the top enemy Lane being set to MED range and the middle Lane to Long.  The players single middle lane ship has a Short battle tactic. 

According to the OP, that should start both middle lanes out at L range (due to enemys tactic) and cause them to close by 1 Range catagory each Phase.  The Top lane enemy fleet should in theory also enage at Long range and stay at Long range the entire battle. 

That is not what appears to happen. What happens by my esitmation is this...The middle lanes do indeed open up at Long range as the battle tactics would suggest they do, however, the Top lane Enages the middle lane as if it was also in the top lane.  What we see is it being set to Med range, which is how it would correctly be ranged with a med tactic Vs a Short range tactic in Phase 1.  Further more, we know due to tool tips that the top lanes weapons are entirely made up of Lasers due to the range modifies for those ships being [L=50% M=100% S=50%].  During the entire first phase, the top lane enemy ship does indeed mombard the lone center lane ship with laser fire. The fact that the lane matchup says med, and it vivually appears to be medium could just be false information as the OP suggests, but what is crucial is that not a single bolt of enemy fire across the lane misses its target. That would impley that despite what the OP claims, the ship not only appears and is shown in game as being at med range with an icon...but it is indeed firing and hitting across  a lane at that range. 

Unfortunately the players ship did not make it into the second phase. I would have liked to verify that the enemy ships in both lanes closed by 1 Range unit, but could not. 

Here is the link Battle starts at 23:30 in: