ENDLESS™ Space 2 is turn-based 4X space-strategy that launches players into the space colonization age of different civilizations within the ENDLESS™ Universe. Your Vision. Their Future.
Can you try windowed mode just to see if uping the OS prerogatives over the app helps to control those stupid buses ?
(which is the pb, to me, because CPU don't hang 3s - doesn't hang - hang 3s- doesn't hang with healthy software for 99.99% of people)
3GB of shared mem worries me.
Your typical SSD will read that in s 3GB in 6 to 12 seconds : if we're looking at your mobo, your SATA3 bus is 6 Gb/s. That's 750 MB/s... You can read 3GB in 4 seconds, tops (more likely a little more). .
I already tried windowed mode, I used it to read the CPU usage and notice the spikes. So no change.
Can you try windowed mode just to see if uping the OS prerogatives over the app helps to control those stupid buses ?
(which is the pb, to me, because CPU don't hang 3s - doesn't hang - hang 3s- doesn't hang with healthy software for 99.99% of people)
3GB of shared mem worries me.
Your typical SSD will read that in s 3GB in 6 to 12 seconds : if we're looking at your mobo, your SATA3 bus is 6 Gb/s. That's 750 MB/s... You can read 3GB in 4 seconds, tops (more likely a little more). .
Another thing to try would be windowed mode I guess ?
Second thing, it may be a good idea to check the event viewer (start > type "eventvwr") - if you know how to read it, it can help to see if there is an hardware problem.
Haha odd perf problems are sometimes due to unsuspected causes, so I'm willing to try anything at this point ;)
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The only other flag I see at least in your dxdiag is you're running one of those "Killer" ethernet cards.
Yeah, I wanted to uninstall this useless app two days ago, but I forgot. Will do it tonight, thx!
EDIT:
Tried a lot of things the evening: unplug the webcam, kill Network Manager, kill Wacom hardware manager, forcing Nvidia to use my GTX1060... Nothing worked.
As Frogsquadron stated 2 months ago, I have the strong conviction that this problem is directly related to the AI.
I will fully admit these are not 'great' ideas. I'm literally just throwing stuff out
The only other flag I see at least in your dxdiag is you're running one of those "Killer" ethernet cards. I've seen the tools for that particular card do all sorts of weird things to games. Usually its mroe "I cant connect ot Steam" kind of thing but again as part of the "throw stuff against the wall and see what sticks" see if any of those tools are running
One nice thing in the old days was Steam's tool would auto collect your running software on the system. Which made it easier to find potential software conflicts. They got rid of that for some odd reason though :(
2) I already tried to unplug my tablet, no change. Maybe I should check if any related software is not running.
3) & 4) Nope. I changed my Steam username during the ES or EL alpha (can't remember exactly) because it was indeed preventing the game to launch or run properly ;)
5) I'll check that too. I've update my Nvidia drivers yesterday (new version related to the release or RE7), no change.
I killed the only service using CPU (print spooler)...
In Windows XP & Vista's days, that was a bad idea, as it was killing more interrupts from the mobo than only a (hypothetical) printer.
I don't know if in Win7 / Win10 this is fixed as I don't know if it's a bug from an old hardware designs (like how bios is bad now for today's computers but was a good solution before the 2000's) or software (I doubt it).
Since it's here by default in this modern OS, I'd recomend to monitor this on your computer (this is a few bytes asking the printer bus, not a great optim imho). You want to kill this only if sneak processes are trying to print stuff (this was a vulnerability for XP). It may be the case here, if this use RAM.
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We're still working on optimization. Next updates should alleviate these issues.
Was it this "can't attach to parent" in logs ? Is it related to shared mem ?
(I shouldn't care but I wanted to know whether I'm helpful or not, and if not, shut my mouth :) )
I have made further tests to try to identify the cause of this problem.
I replaced my AV (Avira -> AVG), I turned off the v-sync, I checked the CPU usage of the processes and services -> I killed the only service using CPU (print spooler)... The game is still freezing every 3 seconds, with the game CPU usage going from ~13% to ~20% (camera fixed on a solar system, doing nothing).
I've noticed something interesting though. The stuttering/freezing effect is there right after the loading of a save or after a new turn. After a couple of minutes (roughly), the problem seams to disapear and the game runs smoothly while using 13% of my CPU.
So, I guess the issue could be related to the AI trying to compute some stuff periodically and stopping to do so after a couple of minutes
Thanks for your suggestion, but I won't change anything on my system for now. All my other games (and I have a metric ton) work like a charm, and ES2 being in early access/alpha stage, I suspect an optimization problem.
I tried to play with 3 AI or on a different map, still lots of stuttering.
Edit: So, I deleted my AV, and the stuttering is still there.
-edit- it might be me (take this with a bag of salt) but I'm bothered by those 3Gb shared memory on the video card. Maybe the game's data use the same place as your videocard ?
My hypothesis is :
- videocard used this to dump its texture stuff
- then the game ask some memory, best speed, since no indication to go to RAM only
- the OS ask the best R/W rates bus, with no flag, which may be the video one
- the game overwrite the video stuff because the video put no lock on it
- the game does their stuff, then dump the data (or not)
- then videocard driver is like "where's my stuff bro ?" and the OS is like "dude, I dumped it, go read HDD, LOL"
- ...
- 3s later the video stuff is read back to video shared mem
???
Is it possible or I'm telling tales ?
There should be a setting on the videocard driver panel to forbid the OS to use that mem but I strongly suggest you ask some expert tech advice before gambling on that idea.
I didn't change the UI, and the problem is here from the very beginning of the game. I can see the freeze every 3 seconds by staring at the moving gas clouds in the galaxy.
This looks like bus bottleneck and/or heavy swapping ?
OS / Game / Exchange file on the same SSD ?
(SSD have superb read rates but middle to poor write rates).
If you don't make any change to the UI, do you have those problems ?
I wonder how they store data there (if they commit atomic data changes, then by mutliplying I/Os, the system may need to import one different page for each data depending of how they stored data, instead of having one page with a medium object including everything).
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