I would suggest the comparisons be made without heroes on either side.

I would suggest both sides be the same race.

ameoba glass cannon fleet, see what happens

Ok Thuvian I have 2 theory craft scenario's for you on super dreadnought vs glass cannon destroyers. My Amoeba faction has +30% tonnage faction trait. Everything else does not affect combat or is neutral for this test.



The first is a mid game Tier 2 Dreadnought:

Amoeba Tier 2 Dreadnought : Science cap is Quantum Communication (+1 CP per ship hull, 1800 science), Tectonic Engineering (+15% Tonnage, 4000 Science), Non-Baryonic Shielding (Dreadnought Hull, 7500 Science) and Condensed Plasma (Armor 125% HP / 20% Defense, 10500 Science). That's the limit on each tree for this T2 battle. Fleet CP is 16



Mid Game:

4 Amoeba Dreadnoughts Level 1

HP : 6750 / Tonnage 620 / Industry Cost 1487

Kinetic Defense : 10 T2 Modules, 200 MP Value, 3000 Defense Value, 120 Kinetic Projectiles Deflected

Beam Defense : 10 T2 Modules, 160 MP Value, 2000 Defense Value, 100 Laser Damage Deflected

Missile Defense : 13 T2 Modules, 130 MP Value, 1560 Defense Value, 221 Intercept Value

Support Module : T2 Intelligent Repair Tools (10% HP Per Battle Phase / 675 HP)

Support Module : Ablative Shielding (125% HP / 20% Defense)

Special Module : 4 Point Defense Guns

Weapons : 2 Dreadnoughts with 18 T2 Long Range Kinetic Weapons for 386 MP Value, 1 Accuracy, 62 Salvo, 3 Min/Max Damage / 2 Dreadnoughts with 15 T2 Long Range Beam Weapons for 390 MP Value, 1.1 Accuracy, 1 Salvo, 310 Min/Max Damage



Late Game: Fleet CP is 23 for the Amoeba.

5 Amoeba Dreadnoughts Level 1

HP : 8250 / Tonnage 1035 / Industry Cost 3014

T3 Kinetic Defense : 12 Modules, 480 MP Value, 5040 Defense Value, 300 Kinetic Projectiles Deflected

T3 Beam Defense : 12 Modules, 384 MP Value, 3600 Defense Value, 240 Laser Damage Deflected

T3 Missile Defense : 14 Modules, 340 MP Value, 2800 Defense Value, 476 Intercept Value

Support Module : T4 Living Hulls (2% HP Per Fleet Per Battle Phase / 1320 HP healed per phase)

Support Module : Plasma Shielding (175% HP / 30% Defense)

Support Module : Smart Cargo (+50 Tonnage)

Special Module : 4 Point Defense Guns

Weapons : 3 Dreadnoughts with 30 T3 Long Range Kinetic Weapons Each for 1320 (*3) MP Value, 1 Accuracy, 125 Salvo, 3 Min/Max Damage / 2 Dreadnoughts with 25 Long Range Beam Weapons Each for 1300 (*2) MP Value, 1.1 Accuracy, 1 Salvo, 621 Min/Max Damage.



3 Adenon Hull Support Vessels Level 1

HP : 1237 / Tonnage 345 / Industry Cost 1276

T3 Kinetic Defense : 6 Modules, 240 MP Value, 2520 Defense Value, 150 Kinetic Projectiles Deflected

T3 Beam Defense : 7 Modules, 224 MP Value, 2100 Defense Value, 140 Laser Damage Deflected

T3 Missile Defense : 11 Modules, 220 MP Value, 2200 Defense Value, 374 Intercept Value

Support Module : T4 Living Hulls (2% HP Per Fleet Per Battle Phase / 197 HP healed per phase)

Support Module : Plasma Shielding (175% HP / 30% Defense)

Support Module : Smart Cargo (+50 Tonnage)

Special Module : 2 Point Defense Guns

Weapons : No Weapons these are purely support ships meant to lend fleet healing with hulls and negate damage for the dreadnoughts.



Thuvian, take your time on this because it's not important. Do it when you have nothing better to do. But if you come up with results I don't I agree with I think we'll have to put it to a game. Now what you said above about a modded game makes no sense to me. But the part about editing a save game does. So if you want to do a quick multiplayer game to test this out, send me a PM and I'll try to arrange a time to create a game, save it, hack it and then send you the file so everything is kosher and we can test.



Some honorable mentions I feel are worth noting is Admirals and Ship Experience are fairly important to this equation. What I'm giving you is base level 1 units. In reality you are likely to have a level 10 admiral by T2 and 15-20 by T3 and usually a ship level around 3-4 for T2 to 6-7 for T3. But that all depends.

My attempts to create a Galaxy with only 2 planets has failed, so I'm going with plan B. Run a multiplayer game with cheat codes on and do the tests that way. I've attached the mod if anyone else wants to see what I'm doing with it.
wip.zip