Slightly unfair (and funny) starting constellation

Uber_Space_Ninja

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12 years ago

Jul 25, 2012, 6:11:58 AM

Mandroll wrote:
Haha this situation is one of the charms of 4x games!!

Funny RNG is funny.

Did you end up winning?

Sadly, no. I came in second, my opponent (Hissho) won an economic victory

my empire at the end

finiteHP

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finiteHP

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12 years ago

Jul 23, 2012, 2:17:46 AM

This looks cool. I want the seed.

Uber_Space_Ninja

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Uber_Space_Ninja

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12 years ago

Jul 23, 2012, 3:50:19 AM

finiteHP wrote:
This looks cool. I want the seed.

no problem, It'll take me a little while though.

Kalmorte

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Kalmorte

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12 years ago

Jul 23, 2012, 4:51:45 AM

That's a rough start. REROLL

Uber_Space_Ninja

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Uber_Space_Ninja

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12 years ago

Jul 23, 2012, 5:01:50 AM

Here's the settings you need (in picture because I'm too lazy to write them out

) Then the seed is 935769452 (remember to un-check random seeds)

Note: it doesn't matter what faction you choose just as long as there are four.

haothehare

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haothehare

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12 years ago

Jul 23, 2012, 6:02:46 PM

SUPER OP Start man... lol jk

I've actually played a game kind of like this one except in my same constellation was another player that was a hissho custom. on his side of the constellation he had colonizable systems. On my side I had 2 systems and both were filled with lava and barren. He declared war on me on turn 6. I held him off until around turn 40 at which point the top player came to our constellation and killed him. After the top player killed that guy he realized I was still alive with my one starting planet. I held HIM off for 10 turns so I was finally eliminated at turn 50. It's was a funny game.

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12 years ago

Jul 24, 2012, 10:22:45 AM

Look on the bright side, at least your start system is well protected somewhat.

I hate having huge 5-6 planet systems with several easy connections to other similar juicy systems. You sir are lucky.

But in all seriousness, whenever I set my galaxy generation size to Huge, I never get anything remotely near this setup.

Mansen

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Mansen

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12 years ago

Jul 24, 2012, 10:47:02 AM

Shivetya wrote:
Sadly another example of some of the stupid oversights in this game.

Cyber-Kun wrote:
Maybe in single player, but this game needs a balanced mode that attempts to remove a large amount of RNG that would screw over anyone, such as this situation.

Oh quit the whining will you - If you expect Starcraft 2 "balanced mirrored" maps, then stop playing 4X games. They aren't supposed to be cookie cut balanced maps.

lmaoboat

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lmaoboat

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12 years ago

Jul 24, 2012, 2:42:15 PM

Mansen wrote:
Oh quit the whining will you - If you expect Starcraft 2 "balanced mirrored" maps, then stop playing 4X games. They aren't supposed to be cookie cut balanced maps.

The only two possible ways are to make the game are completely random maps that can give you a single system, or completely balanced and mirrored. News at 11.

Uber_Space_Ninja

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Uber_Space_Ninja

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12 years ago

Jul 25, 2012, 1:33:53 AM

Mansen wrote:
Oh quit the whining will you - If you expect Starcraft 2 "balanced mirrored" maps, then stop playing 4X games. They aren't supposed to be cookie cut balanced maps.

Yeah I like a little difference with the map. If I don't X resource I'll have to trade with an ally (or enemy

)

Mandroll

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Mandroll

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12 years ago

Jul 25, 2012, 5:09:18 AM

Haha this situation is one of the charms of 4x games!!

Funny RNG is funny.

Did you end up winning?

n18991c

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n18991c

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12 years ago

Jul 22, 2012, 9:00:24 PM

Certainly a good starting position for players who are fond of quiet backwaters and don't care if no one ever comes across them...

Titan

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Titan

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12 years ago

Jul 27, 2012, 9:41:41 PM

I see it mentioned here that there are two options for game setup, random or balanced mirror maps. A lot of people seem to be thinking that. I beg to differ. I believe (strongly) that there's a third way, and it's the way to go for MP (so it should be a tick box option you can switch off if you want completely random maps, which I agree can be fun sometimes, especially with people sharing cool seeds on the forums).

Have a 'balanced random' setup, which guarantees each player is at least X hops away from any other at the start (X depends on the map type, size, number of players, etc), that each start position has a mix of strategic and luxury resources within a couple of hops, that each start system plus the sum of the systems within two hops have the same value (measured on a scale where an easily inhabitable, high FIDS world with a great anomaly, a moon, and all the other good stuff is worth the most points), and that if one player is cut off from the majority of the map by wormholes that all players have access to the same points value of systems on their side of a 'wormhole wall' too.

Within that, you can still have plenty of randomness. It's a weighted average system that works pretty well in Civ games to make each start different but playable. Sure, you might be bummed that you played the Mongols (special unit/building/etc all geared towards cavalry) and there aren't any horses on your starting island, but other than that there's relatively little reason to feel hosed by the RNG without succumbing to the horrors of mirror maps.

MCHammond

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MCHammond

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12 years ago

Jul 28, 2012, 5:25:31 PM

In Civilization 5 you can set up the game to have balanced starting points. It seems to do a good job for the most part.

You can also set it up so that you have legendary starting positions, each players starting location is nice and green and covered in resources. I often enable this on the sly so that players think they have an awsome start and dont rage quite if they dont have iron next to there city.

All in all I like random maps but it would be better if they were fair too, I play sower and spread like headlice. If I started on a map like that I would almost certainly rage quit

but if it was a fair random map then I might not I would change my play style.

It would be awsome if the game was a bit more intelligent when building maps. Yes have single backwater systems, but make them awsome systems so that players change there tactics rather than rage quiting.

Igncom1

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Infantry win firefights. Tanks win battles. Artillery win wars.

Igncom1

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12 years ago

Jul 28, 2012, 5:31:41 PM

I agree with a balanced start as long as it is not completely balanced.....just to mess with people 3

CmdrNoval

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12 years ago

Jul 28, 2012, 6:37:31 PM

Uber_Space_Ninja wrote:
So I loaded up a game and this was my starting constellation

So... yeah.

lol ...Hilarious... Just saw this post... Looks like the galaxy generator is angry with you... lol

GAShebert

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GAShebert

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12 years ago

Jul 28, 2012, 8:38:06 PM

Well, that was fun. Won a science victory on turn 209.

Galaxy at end:

MCHammond

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