I think g2g worseless and do nothing good. Developers agree with me cause they didn't put any important things on it. i expect nothing from it. It is a bubble. Poof.



I have no anger. Just disappointment.

I'm not even sure how they should have overthrown the battlesystem and included a whole new mechanic like a planet invasion game part maybe a month or two before the alpha was made public?

The battle system is bad. The invasion system is bad. Read any forum everyone complain. At least they could say we put that on vote you choose it. Nothing to do with us. I mean what an excuse that could be.



ps Nosferatu i didnt understand middle part of your post.

Proeliator wrote:
I agree with this sentiment. If you dislike the game, don't play it. Go somewhere else. If you think the game has issues but you want it to be better, be constructive. There are several people on this forum who seem to exist just to attack the game. This is a place for people to talk about the game features and strategies and, in certain places, to offer constructive advice. If you are just complaining about how much you dislike the game, go somewhere else.

I can't agree with this more.

NanashiTsunamori wrote:
I really can't believe the amount of people that keep complaining about the battle system. Listen everybody: if you have a bone to pick with the CORE of how the battle system works, then it's not that it's bad, it's just that you don't like it. Maybe you should stop trying to radically change a FULLY RELEASED game, and look for something else, because if you think that the battle system has to be done from scratch, then maybe this game wasn't made for you. Just think about it this way, if you buy a bag of chips of a new flavor that just came out, and you don't like them at all, what do you do, you stop eating them, or you go to the factory and tell them to change ingredients?

I agree with this sentiment. If you dislike the game, don't play it. Go somewhere else. If you think the game has issues but you want it to be better, be constructive. There are several people on this forum who seem to exist just to attack the game. This is a place for people to talk about the game features and strategies and, in certain places, to offer constructive advice. If you are just complaining about how much you dislike the game, go somewhere else.

I really can't believe the amount of people that keep complaining about the battle system. Listen everybody: if you have a bone to pick with the CORE of how the battle system works, then it's not that it's bad, it's just that you don't like it. Maybe you should stop trying to radically change a FULLY RELEASED game, and look for something else, because if you think that the battle system has to be done from scratch, then maybe this game wasn't made for you. Just think about it this way, if you buy a bag of chips of a new flavor that just came out, and you don't like them at all, what do you do, you stop eating them, or you go to the factory and tell them to change ingredients?

Fenrakk101 wrote:
I don't understand why so many people seem to think that if they whine enough the devs are going to remake the game from scratch just so it's more like what they want. As was said before, the game has been under development for nearly two years, and long before the game came out, players had a good idea what the game would be like due to an alpha and beta. You can't come in now after the game is released and say the game isn't the next greatest 4X game and therefore the devs should hire you and do as you say. Amplitude isn't trying to turn the genre on its head, and they're not trying to sell out Sins of a Solar Empire. They're making a game that's fun, and that's what it is. Go buy Legends of Pegasus so you have bigger things to complain about and different forums to annoy.

Seconded.



Let Amplitude make the game they want. It's fun, it works, and hell, they listen to us. That's more than can be said about most other developers.

*I don't understand why so many people post on internet. Go get a life.



*this is trolling



Personally i think that game is very overrated and my justice feeling are tingling. So i write something to get satisfaction.

I don't understand why so many people seem to think that if they whine enough the devs are going to remake the game from scratch just so it's more like what they want. As was said before, the game has been under development for nearly two years, and long before the game came out, players had a good idea what the game would be like due to an alpha and beta. You can't come in now after the game is released and say the game isn't the next greatest 4X game and therefore the devs should hire you and do as you say. Amplitude isn't trying to turn the genre on its head, and they're not trying to sell out Sins of a Solar Empire. They're making a game that's fun, and that's what it is. Go buy Legends of Pegasus so you have bigger things to complain about and different forums to annoy.

Personally I think the whole G2G thing is stupid and I'm glad the devs don't put anything that matters in them because that would be basically design by committee. Do you remember the last great thing that came that was designed by committee? That is because it never happened.



So I don't know what the devs are trying to accomplish with the whole G2G thing but I guess it doesn't hurt except for unreasonable gamers that have too much expectations like the OP.

Its not worthless, just not worth as much as people expected.



But I disagree about the battle system, it reminds me of a battling card game or possible poker, its all about screwing with the other guys mind so he makes a mistake and takes too much damage.



The invasion system is abstracted, and I say thank Aladeen, I hate every game that attempts it because it takes away from the whole space part of the game.





And finally, I freeking love to complain, and so does everybody else.

CaptainPsilon wrote:
I think g2g worseless and do nothing good. Developers agree with me cause they didn't put any important things on it. i expect nothing from it. It is a bubble. Poof.



I have no anger. Just disappointment.







The battle system is bad. The invasion system is bad. Read any forum everyone complain. At least they could say we put that on vote you choose it. Nothing to do with us.

Well I think the battle actions for auto are very important, playing a MP game (when people bother to stick with it) gets to be a chore when everyone will fight it out to save a flipping scout ship. Sadly some very important items, like an AI that is worth a damn, lose votes as well.

I didnt follow the game from the very beginning. The whole g2g decision actually sounds a bit silly for me because 1st of all you dont tell artist how to make his magic and 2nd well majority of people tends to do bad choices. So it can be a huge mistake to relay on people opinion.



But know i understand the developers



VOTE 2

- Pirates background Story (Aliens / Criminals / Fanatics) - IMPLEMENTED



VOTE 5

- Horatio Spaceship Lexicon (Latin Nobility / Polytope / Vessel Capacity) - IMPLEMENTED



You know it is totally aladeen* .



You dont see g2g vote:

- Battle system (turn tactical base / real time tactic / phase card based)

- invasion (circle around planet / ground battles animation / planet invasion mini game tetris like)



In conclusion i see this g2g as PR decision and way to give people fantasy like they matter. A pure hypocrisy when someone mentioned it in expansion thread.



*"the dictator" movie



ps. You may rename now jetkar suggestion thread into jetkar expansion pack suggestion thread.

Igncom1 wrote:
And what were you expecting from G2G?



To make every one on the forum a part of the actual game design process? That would be Aladeen absolutely Aladeen.

1) We wanted ponies! Butterflies and maybe kittens too.



2) I had to look up Aladeen...

CaptainPsilon wrote:
And?



You just cant use this g2g system as a prove of something like developers do. I asked in expansion thread show me what you planned for the original game (someone told me "hey man they promised to work on the original game too chillout") I got url to that list. And i say what the aladeen.

And what were you expecting from G2G?



To make every one on the forum a part of the actual game design process? That would be Aladeen absolutely Aladeen.

CaptainPsilon wrote:
I bought the game from the steam for 39.99 i think. I dont regret that. Just a little sad cause of lack of features and i lack of feeling that i got value for money which i was hoped to get after many promised updates and now there is the expansion pack oh well. i made many posts where i mentioned that i play multiplayer. You are a one bad batman, Nosferatiel, more like scubidu.



I dont complain. I make a distinguish about things does matter and things that doesnt. Then i give you conclusion that whole g2g thing is an illusion. PR move to create community.



And i also i dont think that amplitude is an indy studio. Everything shows that they are not. Huge marketing company especially. Reviews on the release day. The price. Etc..

Well, you joined in July, and admitted yourself you didn't follow in the beginning. If you had been here earlier, you'd know that a bit before the game went out, a few of the devs went on a press tour. They tried to get anyone who would listen to them to take a look at the game, and then reviews started to slip in bit by bit. Reviewers were also helped that they could play the game before it was released (like everyone who pre-ordered it could). So when it was released, there was already a very good idea in some peoples minds what the game would be like.



I'm not sure where you think they have a big marketing company...Signing on with Iceberg certainly helped them, but honestly, aside from Steam I don't see too much advertisement or marketing around at all.



Either way, I still second Nos's post.

Igncom1 wrote:
And?



There are a lot of bad things in the world, this certainly isn't one of them.



It more of a case of preferences and timing then choosing XYZ, helping us to help them.

And?



You just cant use this g2g system as a prove of something like developers do. I asked in expansion thread show me what you planned for the original game (someone told me "hey man they promised to work on the original game too chillout") I got url to that list. And i say what the aladeen.

CaptainPsilon wrote:
I dont complain. I make a distinguish about things does matter and things that doesnt. Then i give you conclusion that whole g2g thing is an illusion. PR move to create community.

And?



There are a lot of bad things in the world, this certainly isn't one of them.



It more of a case of preferences and timing then choosing XYZ, helping us to help them.

I bought the game from the steam for 39.99 i think. I dont regret that. Just a little sad cause of lack of features and i lack of feeling that i got value for money which i was hoped to get after many promised updates and now there is the expansion pack oh well. i made many posts where i mentioned that i play multiplayer. You are a one bad batman, Nosferatiel, more like scubidu.

and then complain that there wasn't a G2G vote

I dont complain. I make a distinguish about things does matter and things that doesnt. Then i give you conclusion that whole g2g thing is an illusion. PR move to create community.



And i also i dont think that amplitude is an indy studio. Everything shows that they are not. Huge marketing company especially. Reviews on the release day. The price. Etc..

The game had an overall development time of 1 1/2 years. The beginning of g2g was in march, I believe.



This has never been a kickstarter project, where everything including the funding was made by the community and detailed from the start.

I'm not even sure how they should have overthrown the battlesystem and included a whole new mechanic like a planet invasion game part maybe a month or two before the alpha was made public?



All you've been saying today is that you want a vast number of features you expect from Moo2-like games patched, best yesterday, for free, even though they have not been sold to you with the base game. Then you want them to have asked you when they founded the company what game of your dreams they should have programmed. And on top you also say that the majority of people tends to make bad choices, so that the result of your own stated and preferred mode ES should have been programmed in would have been a bad game for you?



I simply don't get even a glimpse of rationality in your posts, only anger...

Never mind that you probably don't even know how the game plays, because you haven't redeemed any codes proving that you actually have it, so that you can have a well founded opinion. As you stated yourself, you'd rather:

CaptainPsilon wrote:
Well release at least 1.4 version of the game and then we will talk about expansion pack.

CaptainPsilon wrote:
I don't see any point. I will just get the game from a torrent otherwise.

I find it a bit funny that you say you can't tell an artist how to make his magic, and then complain that there wasn't a G2G vote for things like the battle system and the invasion mechanic.



They're making the core of game how they want it to (the battles, for example). The team has said, such as in their thread of tracked ideas, that they have their own vision and they'll keep to that. If our ideas help and go along with that, awesome. But they aren't going to change something so core and integral because the community demands it.



But the community certainly has more than a "fantasy" of mattering. The devs have said multiple times that a number of them hated the way that the Pirates vote turned out. But we picked it and went along with it. So, yes, people can make dumb choices. But we still get a say in how the game continues, such as which features get focused on to be implemented next, the chance to add in a faction of our creation, and so on.