Faction specific heroes

Jalaris

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22 600g2g pts

12 years ago

Dec 11, 2012, 5:25:33 AM

I just posted another post about this not too long ago and find this describes what I had in mind a lot better. To me, this is an immersion breaker

Romeo

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Romeo

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12 years ago

Jan 4, 2013, 7:35:34 AM

So far it looks like they'll be getting one more each. Which would bring their totals to... Two. Still way to low to remain viable with this kind of set-up. I like the concept, but the game simply isn't ready for it yet.

KidKirbyUltra

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KidKirbyUltra

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19 800g2g pts

12 years ago

Jan 4, 2013, 7:33:47 AM

Romeo wrote:
Just realized one small problem with this: Automatons and Sheredyn. They both have next to no heroes, which would put them at a colossal disadvantage.

There are plans to give them more and a g2g vote going on right now about it as well.

Romeo

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Romeo

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12 years ago

Jan 4, 2013, 4:24:15 AM

Just realized one small problem with this: Automatons and Sheredyn. They both have next to no heroes, which would put them at a colossal disadvantage.

YellowSock

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YellowSock

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12 years ago

Jan 3, 2013, 4:29:19 PM

I feel like I'm in some parallel universe, because I still don't get why weren't there only faction specific heroes in the first place. In other words, there should definitely be a game option for this.

Brazilian_Joe

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Brazilian_Joe

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18 600g2g pts

12 years ago

Jan 1, 2013, 2:59:34 PM

I like it the way it is. If anything, a faction attunement bonus should grant something.

The hero could get its level cap increased by +1 or +2 levels because it belongs to the same faction.

jam3

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jam3

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12 years ago

Dec 31, 2012, 5:29:28 AM

I'd like to see an option to pick your heroes and then, pre-game, there is a draft where everyone picks their heroes.

Ashbery76

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Ashbery76

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36 100g2g pts

12 years ago

Dec 30, 2012, 2:52:33 AM

I restart until I at least get one starter race hero.It would be nice to at least be able to mod this in

Xanoth

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Xanoth

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12 years ago

Dec 29, 2012, 4:18:56 PM

ishotmyfoot wrote:
My first post,,, on a relatively long dead thread! woo!

I want to vote none of the above. I should only be able to access heros from my own race at the start, and as the game goes on the probability of getting heros from different races should increase.

Yeah, I posted something similar in another thread. Starting heroes should be your own races, as you encounter other races, the chance of recruiting from them increases.

With regards to the only own faction heroes at the start, exceptions can be made for special heroes but should be lower chance (such as endless and similar "other" race heroes).

It really bugs me more than it should that in 90% of games, I don't ever get a hero of the race/faction I'm playing.

ishotmyfoot

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ishotmyfoot

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12 years ago

Dec 29, 2012, 2:59:32 PM

My first post,,, on a relatively long dead thread! woo!

I want to vote none of the above. I should only be able to access heros from my own race at the start, and as the game goes on the probability of getting heros from different races should increase.

n18991c

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n18991c

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13 100g2g pts

12 years ago

Dec 25, 2012, 1:07:39 AM

TurtleShotty wrote:
I think it should at least be a option.

Yep, agree, that way we can make everyone happy

TurtleShotty

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TurtleShotty

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12 years ago

Dec 21, 2012, 4:28:01 AM

I think it should at least be a option.

lightjedi5

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lightjedi5

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12 years ago

Dec 12, 2012, 9:07:32 AM

Sounds like a solid idea. I would likely play with this setting on 90% of the time. Although i do enjoy using the sower heros as they look pretty cool.

Dr__Soul

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Dr__Soul

Newcomer

12 years ago

Dec 11, 2012, 7:08:59 PM

Well, agree to the point that obtaining a character from a race you just declared a war to is . . strange. I get the feeling that this character betrayed his own race and, therefore, don't want to have him active.

On the other side, having alien characters from allies would be realistic.

jamesyoung79

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jamesyoung79

Old Timer

12 years ago

Dec 11, 2012, 5:30:02 AM

Jalaris wrote:
I just posted another post about this not too long ago and find this describes what I had in mind a lot better. To me, this is an immersion breaker

I agree with you completely.

jamesyoung79

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jamesyoung79

Old Timer

12 years ago

Dec 8, 2012, 6:46:24 AM

I'm not sure how everyone else feels about this. hence the reason for the poll. I find it kind of atmosphere breaking that the heroes races do not match their factions.

[LIST=1]

It is perfect the way it is: What ever the reasoning it does not need to be changed.

Yes, each faction should only receive heroes of their faction: Basically the Amoeba faction should only receive Amoeba heroes to hire.

Yes, but it should be a game option: A game option to toggle this on or off at the player choice.

Yes, but only most of the time: Each faction should receive heroes of their faction most of the time, perhaps 20% chance of cross faction.

[/LIST]

Romeo

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Romeo

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12 years ago

Dec 11, 2012, 4:01:40 AM

Mr.Spartan126 wrote:
If this does happen, it needs to be an option, because not everyone will like the idea. But thats why we give people choices.

Yeah, Amplitude is pretty awesome with letting us play with settings, if this were ever implemented, I'm sure they'd continue that trend. =)

jamesyoung79

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jamesyoung79

Old Timer

12 years ago

Dec 10, 2012, 10:27:27 PM

EpicPetunia wrote:
I don't really care either way, but if they do this, please consider the hero abilities as well.

Don't want to get behind because my faction does not have a good admiral or administrator in it's hero pool.

I will be attempting this as a mod after I finish the one I'm working on now. I do plan on taking hero abilities in consideration. I'll make sure each side is balanced.

Mr.Spartan126

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Mr.Spartan126

Old Survivor

12 400g2g pts

12 years ago

Dec 10, 2012, 2:33:54 PM

If this does happen, it needs to be an option, because not everyone will like the idea. But thats why we give people choices.

EpicPetunia

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EpicPetunia

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12 years ago

Dec 10, 2012, 1:37:30 PM

I don't really care either way, but if they do this, please consider the hero abilities as well.

Don't want to get behind because my faction does not have a good admiral or administrator in it's hero pool.

Neowitch

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Neowitch

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12 years ago

Dec 10, 2012, 8:24:09 AM

Romeo wrote:
Yeah, what I don't understand is why the racist Horatio can hire anyone, or the OMNOMNOM-ing Cravers can. Doesn't make a whole ton of sense, unless they've figured out they need the outside help (Which would make sense as a tech option).

Hero recruitment restrictions + A tech for the Diplomacy tree... That's not such a bad idea.

TheFrozenOne

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TheFrozenOne

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12 years ago

Dec 10, 2012, 7:40:24 AM

I think that factions should old have access to heroes of their faction until they meet the other races. You shouldn't be able to hire a Craver hero if you haven't even discovered the Cravers.

jamesyoung79

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jamesyoung79

Old Timer

12 years ago

Dec 10, 2012, 4:18:11 AM

I'm would love to make a mod for this, although it seems like the assignment of heroes is not in the XMLs .For now I just wanted to gather sentiments of how everyone feels about this. No sense in taking the time if I'm the only one bothered by it. I would like this to be a nice reference thread for to look back to for ideas and information relating to it.

Romeo

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Romeo

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12 years ago

Dec 10, 2012, 1:57:06 AM

Yeah, what I don't understand is why the racist Horatio can hire anyone, or the OMNOMNOM-ing Cravers can. Doesn't make a whole ton of sense, unless they've figured out they need the outside help (Which would make sense as a tech option).

Neowitch

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Neowitch

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12 years ago

Dec 10, 2012, 12:21:55 AM

The way it is now is a little too liberal and tolerant for me. There should be more racism and loyalism.

For one thing there should be loyalist heroes who are only available for their own faction. I think one per faction would do, who may even be a higher level than ordinary heroes.

Then there should be less tolerance towards heroes of different (player) factions. Make their pay higher or make them less efficient on factions other than their own. The very least you could do is tweak the parameter that decides what heroes the faction gets, so it gets more of its own heroes.

For game balance's sake you might even make it difficult only for the war-factions, peaceful and tolerant factions can hire any hero.

jamesyoung79

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jamesyoung79

Old Timer

12 years ago

Dec 8, 2012, 11:24:08 PM

Troodon wrote:
I think it is a bit silly that you can get alien heroes before you actually encounter any aliens.... let alone obtain "xenolinguistics."

I also don't think a faction such as the human-supremacist UE or the "eat them! all"-ist Cravers should be that keen on heroes of other species. (As a UE player, I can at least say I'm like that.)

Well said, I agree with you. I'm looking into seeing if making a mod for this is within my capability.

Troodon

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Troodon

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12 years ago

Dec 8, 2012, 11:09:36 PM

I think it is a bit silly that you can get alien heroes before you actually encounter any aliens.... let alone obtain "xenolinguistics."

I also don't think a faction such as the human-supremacist UE or the "eat them! all"-ist Cravers should be that keen on heroes of other species. (As a UE player, I can at least say I'm like that.)

eleazzaar

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eleazzaar

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12 years ago

Dec 8, 2012, 9:28:19 PM

I'd like to see maybe 50% of your heroes come from your faction. Especially at the start of the game, at least 2 or the 3 should be from your faction (if possible).

50% is enough to be the majority and preserve the feel of it being "your side", but also giving your line-up the variety and interest that comes from a cosmopolitan band of heroes from all over.

Romeo

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Romeo

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12 years ago

Dec 8, 2012, 9:09:26 PM

I voted number three.

Another option would have been you only start with your own heroes. Then, any minor faction, pirate or Endless heroes become available. Then, any deceased factions or non-playing faction heroes become available.