Hackers and Cheaters in MP - Endless Space

Hackers and Cheaters in MP

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VIPFinalStrigon

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VIPFinalStrigon

Sheredyn

13 years ago

Jul 25, 2012, 5:11:09 PM

Hmm...In that case, all that comes to mind is simply quitting out of the lobby when you see he's using a cheating faction, as I don't think there is a way to see the account name, as opposed to the nickname. Hopefully the devs will have something in place eventually to stop cheaters.

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nosavynada

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nosavynada

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13 years ago

Jul 25, 2012, 8:46:20 PM

Although I am sure if there is a way someone has found it to cheat, I should point out that I have seen this in a multiplayer game and 0/9 fleets were the AI fleets. And my friend could not attack them. It turned out to be a MP sync issue and after it had caught up (several minutes) it fixed itself.

I am not saying this person had not found a way to simulate / use this but I have seen it happen with AI players before.

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Sovereign

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Sovereign

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13 years ago

Jul 25, 2012, 8:56:38 PM

Yeah that with the Steam ID is not that easy to manage...addionally ...the part to see other Players in Steam is since monthes buged and does not work properly.

Maybe we should be able to see earlier what for race traits someone have yeah i know...this would be bad cause every one can see what are advantages and disadvantages of the other players before the game actual starts.........but it is just very frustrating that the devs can do nothing.

PS: hes got about 20 of these 0/9 Fleets in turn 20....(in real there were ships in the fleet! which he uses to destroy the others)

i am not sure if there is a possibility to exploit this someway but in combination with an all trait race iam almost sure he used and Hack

with the only purpose of cheating. Also this Hack may possibly able to have much more function...maybe instant fleet construction cause these 0/9 fleets never were builded in a proper way.

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VIPFinalStrigon

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VIPFinalStrigon

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13 years ago

Jul 26, 2012, 3:35:05 AM

There is the possibility it's not a hack...If he had an all traits faction before the patch, it might have stayed available post-patch. It was grandfathered in, if you will. No one can make them now, but if one was made before the patch, you can continue to use it until such a time you try to modify it again.

Just a thought.

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Agr

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Agr

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13 years ago

Jul 26, 2012, 4:01:10 AM

It is not possible. Unattackable 0/9 fleets of battleships at turn 20-30 is definitely not an exploit.

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DEVSteph'nie

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DEVSteph'nie

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13 years ago

Jul 26, 2012, 9:06:24 AM

Agr wrote:
I can confirm this. It is difficult to find his steam ID because he is changing nicknames every 10 sec.

There is a feature on Steam that allows you to find the players you have recently played with: this is how you would find someone.

But indeed, Endless Space does not participate in the Valve Anti Cheat program (I have mentioned this in our daily scrum this morning). A complete ban of trainers or other hacks in the multiplayer would also be applied to the single player (for fun, or learning purposes, I don't know). But then, those experiments could be tested through the modding.

We are following this issue but this needs lots of discussions.

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Sovereign

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Sovereign

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13 years ago

Jul 25, 2012, 3:42:32 PM

Just played a Game and encountered someone who was obvously cheating.

He used a custom Race with all Traits(which is since the patch normaly not possibly anymore) and he was able to make Fleets of Battle Ships which are unattackable (cause they are classified as 0/9 Fleets)

It wasent just en exploit it was an Hack!

Counterstrike has VAC...what do we have -.-?

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Soranlar

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Soranlar

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13 years ago

Jul 26, 2012, 9:40:38 AM

Hello this is my first post in this Forum,

But yesterday i and 5 Friends has the same problem with a random player. We like this game because we play all in Civ5 long time together but endless makes very fun.

Yesterday we play at a normal size map with 8 players. We six and a 2 Random. After 50 Rounds a frind say he can`t Kill his Fleet because they was spirit. We don`t understand it and try it with 3 other players. he has the small ships level 1. And techologie was i second, a frind first and the other random 3 place, so he cant be better in tech. We attak his sheeps with fleets with defence and without with rockets and laser and kinietik but no one kill one ship. Then i killed his fleet wis a other combi and he disconekt he came back ingame and the fleet was again there and killd my fleet without a ship lost. we cant explain this. Please help.

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liquidGG

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liquidGG

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13 years ago

Jul 26, 2012, 10:18:27 AM

If you really want to play Multiplayer, make up a forum post in the MP-section and search for trustfull players.

It makes no sense to join a random MP game. The game creator can pick a galaxy seed, which he already knows or use an customized galaxy generator to have a massive lead early on.

And randoms are going to leave anyways, when they got bad systems or if they're not #1 ranked.

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vyolin

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vyolin

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13 years ago

Jul 26, 2012, 10:31:08 AM

@ Soranlar: Regarding your tech advantage you might have more technologies researched overall but less than him in the military tree. Losing fleets to his ships might be due to inefficient defences and other factors.

After reloading you might have started again at the beginning of the round so he knew which cards to play in battle so he won the second time. Or pure luck it was.

Anyhow, if you still think he cheated explain the situation in more detail or upload a savegame so it can be checked by someone less incompetent than me.

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Sovereign

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13 years ago

Jul 26, 2012, 11:05:33 AM

FinalStrigon wrote:
There is the possibility it's not a hack...If he had an all traits faction before the patch, it might have stayed available post-patch. It was grandfathered in, if you will. No one can make them now, but if one was made before the patch, you can continue to use it until such a time you try to modify it again.

Just a thought.

Nope i readed that exactly this case is also not possible ...it would be ridicoulus...dozent of peoples have used the exploit races the patch would be a joke ... i heared that the game set your race points automatically to 0 if you have a race with more then (60/65) Points.....Only in old Savegames you can play your old exploited races...

maybe somone can confirm this?

Steph'nie wrote:
There is a feature on Steam that allows you to find the players you have recently played with: this is how you would find someone.

This function almost never work at my Stea Acc it is buged as hell

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Milaha

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Milaha

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13 years ago

Jul 26, 2012, 10:00:16 PM

It is trivially easy to create factions with unlimited points still. The game does no checking to confirm you have a valid race before starting, so you can either mod your own files to allow more points, or use a memory editor to do the same once the game is running. Really we just need basic checks when the player selects the race and again once the game gets started to prevent this cheat.

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davea

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davea

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13 years ago

Jul 27, 2012, 5:09:27 AM

Sovereign wrote:
PS: hes got about 20 of these 0/9 Fleets in turn 20....(in real there were ships in the fleet! which he uses to destroy the others)

Can anybody show how to create these 0/9 fleets? It should be impossible. If we can track down a bug/exploit which allows this, and then fix it, at least that will be one solid step to preventing cheaters.

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Agr

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Agr

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13 years ago

Jul 27, 2012, 5:17:51 AM

I hope someone will meet cheater, save game and send here. I forgot to do that unfortunately.

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