Marlow wrote:

Should have started with this :/



So yeah, Davea can't help you anymore in what you are doing, I have bit more (now that was understatement of year) knowledge of these things.





I got that line to work just by removing ALL s close to that line, there are more beautiful and easier choices but those takes more time.



Basically you can remove spaces infront of lines or try to find inside of that particular xml (always inside of xml, if you go outside game crashes) enough bytes.





Basically remember this simple and beautiful rule: always delete inside of particular xml file and as close to it as possible. Game doesn't care what you do as long as XMLs bytes are exactly correct.

Hupailija wrote:


I myself do tend to use systems.....

Thanks, then i will give them also more priority





Marlow

What makes more sense: When a planet give me a bonus at FIDS for the planet or for the system?

Well there are couple things to remember, bonus from planet is always population * bonus where are bonus from system is exactly that bonus.



I myself do tend to use systems unless I really want to give good bonus to some trait/building.

Hey!

I am not sure if i make a new Thread for only one question.

When it was better, i will do it by the next.



My question:

What makes more sense: When a planet give me a bonus at FIDS for the planet or for the system?





Thanks in advance, Marlow

Thread title changed by request of OP.



Not planning to respond to Hupa.

davea wrote:
Cool. In the middle of what may have been an apology you insert another insult. When the next two versions of the game are released, and the xml files are changed, let us see which one of us releases new versions faster. I have written a program which does the modification, so that when the next version comes out, it will take less than a minute for me to update. Do you have a strategy for ensuring that when the developers change one xml file which you have also changed, you will be able to re-merge your change? What you have judged is my patience for counting whitespace, which is limited, and not my actual programming skill.

hmmm, you do realize that unless they go compleltly rewrite xmls I can just copy and past what I have done so far over those xmls?



sure it might take bit longer, but then again changing couple hundred (if not thousand) lines should take longer than changing 1 or 2 values, shouldn't it?





Completly other thing is then that you openly go to say to me that something is IMPOSSIBLE when it's not only doable but also really easy to do.

If you wouldn't go out saying things like that I wouldn't call you substandard modder.



For example: "it's possible but can take some time" is better than: "it's impossible" since honestly, nothing is impossible:

- it's possible to make tech trees for factions

- it's possible to change faction images

- it's possible to completly rewrite how heroes act

- it's possible to completly rewrite race generation (actually I am doing it right now)

- it's possible to change how universe looks like



Heck, good modder (and I am not one) could easily change this game to tell story of mankinds history in some planet.



Yet when you go out saying that something is impossible hundreds gets this weird image that mods like Starwars, Startrek, Warhammer 40k and so on are impossible to do. (no, I am not doing those, I have quite a lot to do with learning how this game works and pushing those boundaries past).



If you really think that you are better than I am why haven't you pasted any codes and told how those works? You are telling to people how to change values but thats really what everyone should know already.



Why it was me who told how to make fleets bigger, why it was me who told how pirates works? You were in both posts faster than I was...



This is the thing, if you really would honestly live with this: "I have relased 3 mods, I am best" you would help others not by telling how to do something what others have already posted to that post but instead trying to find new information.

Hupailija wrote:
I actually envy you, as you know your mods aren't really that great (coding wise) but still you get tens if not dozens to help you and tell you how they see game.

Cool. In the middle of what may have been an apology you insert another insult. When the next two versions of the game are released, and the xml files are changed, let us see which one of us releases new versions faster. I have written a program which does the modification, so that when the next version comes out, it will take less than a minute for me to update. Do you have a strategy for ensuring that when the developers change one xml file which you have also changed, you will be able to re-merge your change? What you have judged is my patience for counting whitespace, which is limited, and not my actual programming skill.

Etzlo wrote:
marlow it seems like your german so if you need some help that you possibly better understand just ask me i am also german^^ i don´t mod as long ad hupa but i understand the things in the files pretty good

HEY Etzlo and thanks!!

So it is better we meet us in the german forum, so that we can speak german

YEAH, i have really some questions, but not about modding, because there i mostly find my own ways.

Modding games i do many many years, but this is the first game, which make so stupid trouble.

My questions more about the game itselfs, because some things for me not really clear.



You can also contact me per Email, if you wish.





With regards, Marlow

It does not need to be "either-or". One could be a good professional AND be nice to people. Being nice creates goodwill, and team spirit. Who cares about knowledge, if it's not shared?

Off topic, sorry!

davea wrote:
You do have a talent for accidentally insulting people.

What can I say? Everyone has to be good at something . But don't worry, it's not only on these forums... even my friends will have to quite often remind me of habits ^^



But think positivile, atleast when you see new person you can happily go to say "hi"... thats something what is never possible for me :/ (you know, instead of doing so I have to watch those persons and see how they behave wonder whether they would keep me as a intruder or not and so on)

Davea, you have many friends on this forum, and we really appreciate the great work you're doing!

And then this, where I am that person in ivory tower who sometimes comes to talk with normal people, you are that trickster everyone likes and adores.



I actually envy you, as you know your mods aren't really that great (coding wise) but still you get tens if not dozens to help you and tell you how they see game.

Instead me, well... my mod tries to break barriers and do something what others won't do for a while, yet what I get is 2 persons (I really appreciate iamgorys and iblises help) to suggest me things.

marlow it seems like your german so if you need some help that you possibly better understand just ask me i am also german^^ i don´t mod as long ad hupa but i understand the things in the files pretty good

Xamataca wrote:
accidentally?!

Not going near that one...lol.



Regardless - been doing some digging of my own. Weapon/defence rebalance - check. Changing custom race picks - check. Changing fleet sizes and modifying tech to go with it - check. Will give you any help I can.

davea wrote:
You do have a talent for accidentally insulting people.

accidentally?!

Davea, you have many friends on this forum, and we really appreciate the great work you're doing!

Hupailija wrote:
So yeah, Davea can't help you anymore in what you are doing, I have bit more (now that was understatement of year) knowledge of these things.

You do have a talent for accidentally insulting people.

Hupailija wrote:


Basically you can remove spaces infront of lines

Problem is solved!!

Hupailija, this was a half right way. Yesterday i tried it also, but without positive result

The other half way was, i only delete a maximum from 25 bytes, save the game, test it

and delete the next 25 bytes, so long if i had enough for that line i need.



Now ALL works and i am soooo happy!!

Ah, Hupailija, i found the .xml files here, but i think they are not up to date.

I make my changes directly at the sharedassets17.assets with notepad++



So, not long and my Mod is ready and i can play the game.

My only fear is now, that all work was vainly, because patch not help and game slows down again so much, that game can´t be play!!

I play only with 2 opponents at the map huge with 130 stars. The width i reduce to 100





One question:

When the box version is coming, is there a printed german manual inside, or only a pdf??



So, thanks again at all!!!!!





With regards, Marlow

In my long life i played many games, but this here is the first, which is absolute stupid!!

A game like this MUST be moddable, or it isn´t good!!!

A bit you can, like changing values, but that is all.

Copy paste new lines in NOT work.

Okay, i wrote the lines new and made a correction that line numbers and bytes have the same as before i has changed the file.

Really, i make ALL correct, but game crashes and crashes!!!!

And the best is, it says not why.

I have a 10 years old game (Rise of Nations) and when it crashes after modding, it let me now WHERE the mistake is.



Long time i had all ready and played a game, but after 100 turns or so, game slow down so much that it no more was playable!! So i want give the game a second chance and try the last patch. But for the patch i must make all my changes again.



Is this really a game from 2012, because it looks more as one from the 80ies!!!

The only different is, the game needs a VERY powerful machine, but for what?!





Marlow





EDIT:

i found the solution and problem is now solved!!

We have started working on the modding now, to allow you to add your modified files in a specific directories, instead of modifying the base content.



We will let you know as soon as we are ready to deliver it.

Great news



and buddy man, Wir sind aus :P

@davea

Thanks, but you not understand me!



I have change soooo many things, also i put new lines in the file (needs many tries, because of crashes).

Now i am near the at of the file (Luxury list) and you can sure, i no more start again.



This i want have:















The line has 145 bytes. So i delete this bytes between this:

and also delete a blank line, so that i came at the correct values (2255064 bytes and 36905 lines) before edit the file.





Okay, thanks again, Marlow



EDIT

HEY Hupailija!!

YES, i also rewrite it (letter for letter), because copy/paste not work. Or you mean others with rewriting?

You open the sharedassets17.assets also with notepad++?

Funny thingy relating to this post,



I just deleted most of the both traits.xml files, opened game and didn't get any crash :P (and why I did that? well I basically am still rewriting those

I have released three mods successfully and I can do this without a single crash. Let us work together to make you successful at modding also. Sorry, but let us please start with a very simple change.



1. Verify your game cache on steam to make sure all your files are correct and up to date. Start the game and make sure it does not crash.



2. Open sharedassets17.assets in your editor, *do not make any changes*, and save the file. Does the game crash? Then use a different editor.



3. Open sharedassets17.assets again and make a simple, visible change such as changing the faction cost as mentioned here:

/#/endless-space/forum/37-modding/thread/15648-released-race-s-trait-points-changing



4. I recommend changing the "60" to "99" which is visible but does not change white space. Save, open the game, and create a custom faction. Do you see the adjusted point cost? Congratulations, you have modded the game successfully.



I agree this change is a very simple one. I agree that it would be nice if the game printed some syntax error instead of crashing. There are lots of things that would be nice. However, if you follow the above instructions, I guarantee you will be able to mod the game.

Hupailija wrote:
Look at my mod, say how it is possible to do without completly rewriting some parts of that file.



Yours,

Hupailija

REALLY, i am not in the situation for jokes!!

I feel total bad over try and try.

I NEED that line, because i had them in there before i patch the game.



I not understand what you mean, that i look at your Mod to find a help??!

WHEN you know what i can do, why you not tell it me.

I have not the power to load your Mod to make a riddle, or will the way to solve my problem so obviously when i look in your files?



I not understand, the poster AmpliMath said, they work to make the game moddable. But WHY he give no help to solve that problem what many others also have?! What they want do, can`t be solve the mistake!!!



PLEASE, i not like speak bad about the game, also it is not good. BUT i want to make it good for me and others who have problems with the cheating AI.



So again dear Hupailija, when you can help, pleeeeease do it





With regards, Marlow

Marlow wrote:
In my long life i played many games, but this here is the first, which is absolute stupid!!

A game like this MUST be moddable, or it isn´t good!!!

A bit you can, like changing values, but that is all.

Copy paste new lines in NOT work.

Okay, i wrote the lines new and made a correction that line numbers and bytes have the same as before i has changed the file.

Really, i make ALL correct, but game crashes and crashes!!!!

And the best is, it says not why.

I have a 10 years old game (Rise of Nations) and when it crashes after modding, it let me now WHERE the mistake is.



Long time i had all ready and played a game, but after 100 turns or so, game slow down so much that it no more was playable!! So i want give the game a second chance and try the last patch. But for the patch i must make all my changes again.



Is this really a game from 2012, because it looks more as one from the 80ies!!!

The only different is, the game needs a VERY powerful machine, but for what?!





Marlow

Look at my mod, say how it is possible to do without completly rewriting some parts of that file.



Yours,

Hupailija

Also, certain editing programs apparently dont save it exactly the same way so even though the file size is identical, it doesnt work.



Try using notepad++ to make the edits.

@Sarg



I know it, i know it!!!

2255064 bytes and 36905 lines i have also after editing!!!

Or you mean i make a thread/post here without searching before!



@Uncle_Joe (under me)

i use Notepad++

You're editing compiled files. Therefore the resulting file has to be precisely the same length as the original file or it will unavoidably crash. It has nothing to do with hardware requirements.



If you're going to add a line, you have to remove the same number of characters elsewhere in the file. The most obvious candidate is from some of the comments.

AmpliMath wrote:
Hi Marlow,



We have started working on the modding now, to allow you to add your modified files in a specific directories, instead of modifying the base content.



We will let you know as soon as we are ready to deliver it.



Cheers,

YES, this will be wonderful and the best way!!



EDIT:

It will not solve the problem that the game always crashes, even though the lines and bytes after editing are correct!!

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@Shivetya and Isaac_Wolfe

YES, i to 1000% sure that i all make correct!!

Or will someone of you see a mistake in that line here?:



And also i now what i do, because i was modding many years.

Here one of my Mods: http://www.gamefront.com/files/16886659/Kings_Bounty_Mod__final__rar



And at time it is my honest opinion that this game looks like a 10/15 years earlier game, because nothing new. It is not necessary and not incomprehensible that this game need a so great power machine! I have a good PC but in later game it will be unplayable of slow down soooo much!!

At time i am so disappointed!!!



Marlow



@flipstar

i NOT like be a beta tester after game was ready for sold.

Is it so hard to understand

My el' cheapo 'ultra portable' notebook can run this game past 100 turns, so I'm interested in why you directly blame the game itself for your immediate slow downs crashes. But to each is his own I guess.



The devs are working hard to interface with the community and encourage development, so if you'd aimed for your post to taken as constructive criticism then please by all means keep on posting as you play around with it some more, as of course, the more problems found the better. However, if it is as frustrating as you believe, then it's better to just give up and move on I believe? Comparing a 10 year old game to ES is unfair, and similar to comparing lets say Microsoft Frontpage with Dreamweaver, blaming Dreamweaver as a program for its faults based on Frontpage's immediate ease of use.



Anyway thanks Marlow

I that you are making an unfair misjudgment saying the game looks out of the 80's. It isn't top of the line as some other games, but ES is visibly beautiful.



How do you know that you are doing everything right? I understand that there is no error message, but how do you know you are doing everything right? I am not trying to insult your intelligence or anything, but most modding mistakes are user error -- not the game itself.

Really confused as to why you think the game looks as if its from the 80s, I started gaming in the 70s... and believe the 80s are nothing like what we have now.







Really, i make ALL correct, but game crashes and crashes!!!!



Obviously you are mistaken

Hi Marlow,



We have started working on the modding now, to allow you to add your modified files in a specific directories, instead of modifying the base content.



We will let you know as soon as we are ready to deliver it.



Cheers,