I wasn't paying extra attention but I think I spotted some of the normal and special modules of the same type (level) have the same stats which is not WAD but then again maybe I haven't looked long enough to spot a difference there. Might be worth checking out.

Hister wrote:
I wasn't paying extra attention but I think I spotted some of the normal and special modules of the same type (level) have the same stats which is not WAD but then again maybe I haven't looked long enough to spot a difference there. Might be worth checking out.

Oh, those are the Elite module. They have the same description, but they requires ressources, are more expensive but provide a bit more than the standard ones. Their icons have a yellow square rather than a red one to spot them with ease.

Version 1.29 up. Fixed the 2 reported bugs, nothing else changed this time. Should be safe to continue games started in 1.28. Enjoy.

Foraven wrote:
Oh, those are the Elite module. They have the same description, but they requires ressources, are more expensive but provide a bit more than the standard ones. Their icons have a yellow square rather than a red one to spot them with ease.

Oh I know what they are - the only problem is that if I remember correctly reported stats were the same for each the normal and elite module. Elite should be more powerful but numbers seemed the same. This happened only in 2 or 3 early-on modules. As for the icon color you might want to make it more distinguishable - as is does not provide much of a contrast. At elast for my eyes that is.



Excellent mod if I may say so. Just crazy how much balancing needed to be done from vanilla game. Now if devs would incorporate it in hteir patch that would be swell.

Why is it that some of the Elite support modules can go on ships that don't accept the regular version? And visa versa the ships that can take the regular version won't accept the Elite? Looking mostly at Repair modules here.



Also, anyone know why Optics Research Center doesn't apply to Gas Helium planets?

Kolaris wrote:
Why is it that some of the Elite support modules can go on ships that don't accept the regular version? And visa versa the ships that can take the regular version won't accept the Elite? Looking mostly at Repair modules here.



Also, anyone know why Optics Research Center doesn't apply to Gas Helium planets?

Hum... There must be a few errors here and there in the requirements. I will check that out.

Elite defender no weapon bug





Hero skill bug

Not able to colonize Gas Giants. I have learned Atmospheric Filtration. But the in system colonization shows it as a missing technology.

Alright guys, i'm checking out the reported bugs and will post an update as soon as i have located all of them. Should be done tonight.

Kolaris wrote:
Why is it that some of the Elite support modules can go on ships that don't accept the regular version? And visa versa the ships that can take the regular version won't accept the Elite? Looking mostly at Repair modules here.

Checked that out and the only difference between standard and elite modules is Pirates are forbidden from using them (ie pirate affinity).

Kolaris wrote:
Also, anyone know why Optics Research Center doesn't apply to Gas Helium planets?

That's because it's this way in the stock game and i haven't bothered to change that. Seem to me they intended that upgrade for planets that aren't already good for research.

Alright guys, 1.30 is out. This is an all fix update, shouldn't break savegames. Enjoy.

Foraven wrote:
Checked that out and the only difference between standard and elite modules is Pirates are forbidden from using them (ie pirate affinity).

Hmm. Went back and looked, this is what I noticed:



Starting class ship and Destroyer class can equip Elite Adaptive Glue, but not regular. Cruiser, Battleship, and Dreadnought can equip normal Adaptive Glue, but not Elite. I think I remember the same thing being true for the Repair Tool one tier past that, but I didn't have it unlocked in the save game I checked.



Starting class and Destroyer can't equip Elite Power Modules, while Cruiser and higher can't equip normal Power modules. But that one might be intended.

So, this type of declaration

[code] !$(../ClassEmpire,AffinityPirates) [/code] works in any object?

Interesting.

(Please, please balance out the multiple resource thing. 3 resources means a cost of 34.3% (0.7*0.7*0.7). One resource per weapon, or it gets out of control.

Also, for example kin 6:

'normal': 28 ind

'elite': 210 ind, which (with 3 monopolies!) gets to 72, which is still 3x. Didn't we settle on about x2.5 costs? three monopolies + 3x costs is kind of harsh.

Kolaris wrote:
Hmm. Went back and looked, this is what I noticed:



Starting class ship and Destroyer class can equip Elite Adaptive Glue, but not regular. Cruiser, Battleship, and Dreadnought can equip normal Adaptive Glue, but not Elite. I think I remember the same thing being true for the Repair Tool one tier past that, but I didn't have it unlocked in the save game I checked.



Starting class and Destroyer can't equip Elite Power Modules, while Cruiser and higher can't equip normal Power modules. But that one might be intended.

Well, i didn't intend to be any difference between Normal and Elite module besides preventing the pirates to mount any of them, and from the code i used it's supposed to be that way. The effect you are experiencing seem like a corrupt savegame or you are using some other mod along mine. At least i can't find a mistake in the module code... I didn't have the time to test it out though, i really should play a game and see myself.

Aureon wrote:
So, this type of declaration

[code] !$(../ClassEmpire,AffinityPirates) [/code] works in any object?

Interesting.

There are a lot of things we can put there. Any affinity can be used to enable or disable stuff. In this case it's "not pirate", but anything else would work.

(Please, please balance out the multiple resource thing. 3 resources means a cost of 34.3% (0.7*0.7*0.7). One resource per weapon, or it gets out of control.

Also, for example kin 6:

'normal': 28 ind

'elite': 210 ind, which (with 3 monopolies!) gets to 72, which is still 3x. Didn't we settle on about x2.5 costs? three monopolies + 3x costs is kind of harsh.

I really need to figure out if i can change how monopolies works (didn't find it last time i checked). I want my elite module to require ressources to use, but i don't want them to be ultra cheap... I have to figure a way to make that work, i don't want to have to remove requirements .

Anyone has anything to say about my AI? Is it more challeging than the stock one? Is it still easy to beat? I want to know if all the work i did on it actually works as intended.

Foraven wrote:
There are a lot of things we can put there. Any affinity can be used to enable or disable stuff. In this case it's "not pirate", but anything else would work.







I really need to figure out if i can change how monopolies works (didn't find it last time i checked). I want my elite module to require ressources to use, but i don't want them to be ultra cheap... I have to figure a way to make that work, i don't want to have to remove requirements .

Uh. I'm currently trying to have different base planet yields based on Affinity, but i haven't found a better way than tying it into the colony base. (Which isn't visible where i want it =\)

Still early in the stages of a 1.30 party: the AI seems able to come up with fleets of varied sizes mixed as well as multi-weapons mounted. So far so good for me.

Multi-weapons as in multiple types on the same ship or multiple ships with different types?