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4 years ago
Oct 24, 2020, 12:41:02 PM
Lord_Funk wrote:

Since all You seem to want is to be outraged without even considering any explanation. Already decided that it's not steam and all on the publishers (as you wrote...period...).

That's not a decision, that's a common knowledge. Please, educate yourself on the matter and stop spreading false assumptions.

You can start here: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/store/pricing

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4 years ago
Oct 24, 2020, 1:11:05 PM

On a topic of taxation, abovementioned article describes when and how Steam collects additional taxes, but they don't directly affect Store price. i.e. Steam doesn't automatically increase it, be it incluisive or additive. In case of inclusive tax rate, Steam just takes additional cut from paid price to pay tax, so publishers have to increase price manually to compensate. Which doesn't mean they are obliged to, this isn't an ideal practice.

Once again, compare current pricing with tax table to see they are far from being corellative

https://steamdb.info/sub/509112/


Pricing may be within psychological borders of what I may find acceptible, but that doesn't mean most of the customers from my country would agree. And most don't, they'd expect half of that.

This is especially glaring issue, if you compare regional pricing to prominent upcoming titles, like Cuberpunk 2077 or Balduer's Gate 3, and see they are significantly cheaper. Or from competitor titles like Civ, AoW, Mount & Blade, Crusader Kings and so on to see they all were a lot cheaper at launch, base or "exclusive" edition alike.

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Oct 24, 2020, 1:48:51 PM
Sublustris wrote:

On a topic of taxation, abovementioned article describes when and how Steam collects additional taxes, but they don't directly affect Store price. i.e. Steam doesn't automatically increase it, be it incluisive or additive. In case of inclusive tax rate, Steam just takes additional cut from paid price to pay tax, so publishers have to increase price manually to compensate. Which doesn't mean they are obliged to, this isn't an ideal practice.

Once again, compare current pricing with tax table to see they are far from being corellative

https://steamdb.info/sub/509112/


Pricing may be within psychological borders of what I may find acceptible, but that doesn't mean most of the customers from my country would agree. And most don't, they'd expect half of that.

This is especially glaring issue, if you compare regional pricing to prominent upcoming titles, like Cuberpunk 2077 or Balduer's Gate 3, and see they are significantly cheaper. Or from competitor titles like Civ, AoW, Mount & Blade, Crusader Kings and so on to see they all were a lot cheaper at launch, base or "exclusive" edition alike.

i don't look on the cheapest i like on the "normal" price of in the US they take 50$ in israel (28% more ) and EU (18% more) why we need to pay extra instead the US price ?

i just want companies treated as equally

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4 years ago
Oct 24, 2020, 1:53:36 PM

Civ VI is normally $79.99 on steam for me (Canadian) and CK III is $56.99. Cyberpunk 2077 is $79.99. The *Digital Deluxe* version of Humankind is, without discount, set at the same price as Civ VI. I have literally no idea where you keep getting this general argument that prices for a other games are drastically cheaper.

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4 years ago
Oct 24, 2020, 1:55:28 PM
Limstella wrote:

Civ VI is normally $79.99 on steam for me (Canadian) and CK III is $56.99. The *Digital Deluxe* version of Humankind is, without discount, set at the same price as Civ VI. I have literally no idea where you keep getting this general argument that prices for a other games are drastically cheaper.

https://steamdb.info/app/1124300/

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4 years ago
Oct 24, 2020, 2:09:04 PM

This literally shows that Cyberpunk 2077 sells for an equivilent price of $79.62 USD in Isreal, while HK sells for $63.87 currently

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Oct 24, 2020, 2:47:08 PM
Limstella wrote:

This literally shows that Cyberpunk 2077 sells for an equivilent price of $79.62 USD in Isreal, while HK sells for $63.87 currently

I did not buy Cyberpunk 2077 on steam it cost me 59$ on gog

the point is not the cost but the discrimination

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4 years ago
Oct 24, 2020, 3:28:20 PM

You're being discriminated against because a game is cheaper on GoG than it is on Steam? I'm now very very confused.

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4 years ago
Oct 24, 2020, 4:09:56 PM
Limstella wrote:

Civ VI is normally $79.99 on steam for me (Canadian) and CK III is $56.99. Cyberpunk 2077 is $79.99. The *Digital Deluxe* version of Humankind is, without discount, set at the same price as Civ VI. I have literally no idea where you keep getting this general argument that prices for a other games are drastically cheaper.

I look at the store, where else do you think?

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4 years ago
Oct 24, 2020, 4:25:50 PM

Again, looking at the store the price difference between some of these games is something like $10 US or so? I don't see what your point is.You keep saying they're drastically cheaper than HK but they're not. The CKIII Royal Edition is like, $5 cheaper than HK's not sale price.

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4 years ago
Oct 24, 2020, 6:05:55 PM

@Sublustris Alright I've seen your posts now across the forums as pretty angry and hostile to people, especially @Lord_Funk when he went out of his way to help explain the situation while none of us 100% know why the pricing is the way it is. If it is your goal to be this passionate at the pricing please go and figure out what it is that is making it this way for whatever country you are located in (you haven't said I don't think?) and then when you find conclusive evidence please share with everyone on a new topic what you have found. If all you are going to do is be rude and talk down to everyone trying to help or come up with ideas of why it is what it is based on other games that have had this issue with Steam... I mean... what's the point? What is it you are actually expecting to be getting in return from anyone here in the forums for your issue?


1. Reach out to Amplitude Studios, ideally not in a rude manner

2. Reach out to Valve, ideally not in a rude manner.

3. Reach out to the Publisher (Sega?), ideally not in a rude manner.


Let us know what they OFFICIALLY say on the subject and we can discuss this all further from there or you can just continue providing no solutions or answers and knocking people down who are attempting to converse with you or make sense on the matter which will result in... nothing. Well, I guess you can get some community members upset with you but why would that be a goal for you if you are tracking the game and posting here. Seems like you are interested in the game to be doing what you are doing, just going about it in a bad manner. Doesn't sound like a productive or good plan for the future is all I am saying but hopefully you can see this soon and switch gears to motivate yourself in seeking the answers you seek that are affecting you.

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Oct 24, 2020, 6:46:41 PM
Limstella wrote:

Again, looking at the store the price difference between some of these games is something like $10 US or so? I don't see what your point is.You keep saying they're drastically cheaper than HK but they're not. The CKIII Royal Edition is like, $5 cheaper than HK's not sale price.

I know this is penny money for you, but in my country HK costs almost quarter of minimum wage. Couple that fact with not very wide audience, overshadowing by Civ series and bleak advertisement, and you'll have increased pirate rates instead of more sold copies. That's not my problem, though, I'll buy it even at no discount of current price, I'm just giving you a perspective. I'm happy that you find your price acceptable, but what is that you trying to prove and to whom? That there are no regional pricing and all regions are equal?


kryton24 wrote:

stuff

While the ammount of misinterpretation of what I've said is astonishing enough for me to not really willing to answer, so I'll stop at the fact that I have my answers and only came by to stop misinformation.

You can of course wait for "OFFICIAL" information, like forever, because no one is owed to give it to you. In fact no one ever shares that kind of thing. It's not part of the job of salesmen, their job is to sale, and this is exactly what they do. The best thing playerbase can do is rise awareness, so that info would be passed to the right people. And that is already been done in multiple places, to my knowledge. We are just shaking air here.

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4 years ago
Oct 26, 2020, 8:06:03 PM

$64,50 right now (base price with no -17% discount) for me. $55,46 with discount. A relatively high price when compared to average wage, but acceptable when I think about it as "buy once, play for years to come". I can only hope the devs won't go the "paradox style" with DLCs.

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4 years ago
Oct 26, 2020, 10:28:55 PM

Endless Space 2 had four $13 DLCs and four $3 DLCs, so I would expect Humankind to have roughly the same amount. The devs have confirmed they intend to release more cultures in culture packs, and I personally expect them to release a few large DLCs each introducing a new element (such as an espionage DLC), although the latter has not been confirmed or even officially suggested.

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4 years ago
Oct 26, 2020, 11:58:57 PM
Lord_Funk wrote:
I think it's a bit too early to be outraged just yet, or even know who to be outraged at. :)

I agree with this comment. That being said if this was anyone else I would say it's greed and don't buy their game!

I would also add that the AAA industry are not saints and don't try to make games! They try to make money! Which means that the person at the top gets all the cash!

While everyone else gets breadcrumbs! They will cut all corners to get the game out and only effort they will put in will be on microtransactions!

These guys have so far been great! I have nothing to fault them over! (amplitude studios, not sega) They make great games! Until that changes I will be happy to pay.

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4 years ago
Oct 27, 2020, 1:36:31 AM

Just looking at the links that Sublustris provided, I'm actually pretty happy with how things are looking. I admit I was getting pretty scared by how people were talking about how the pricing is absolutely horrendous, but these stats actually undermine that.


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(Converted currency of course)

Civ VI sells from anywhere between:    378₴ - 3142₴

CK3:                                                          289₴ - 2509₴

Cyberpunk 2077:                                      740₴ - 2372₴

Humankind:                                             781₴ - 1803₴


So evidently Humankind actually has the smallest price discrepancy by far. Between those games, Humankind is also the cheapest option for a lot of countries, including Israel.

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4 years ago
Oct 27, 2020, 2:39:22 PM
Sublustris wrote:

Actually, it's CK3 that follows suggested Steam pricing the closest, spare of Euro price. But their base price for Royal Edition is in different price category, 25% more expensive US base price ($75).

From those links you gave, CK3 was the only one that actually shows the recommended pricing, and its price discrepancy is still ludicous, so it shows that suggested steam pricing alone is not a good thing to go off.

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