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3 years ago
Aug 25, 2021, 8:13:33 AM

Why is there no option for it ? You can have polytheism and shamanism but not 

Monotheism?  Where's the sense in that ?

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3 years ago
Aug 25, 2021, 8:32:53 AM

Actually, Shamanism doesn't sound like it's in any sort of mutual exclusion with monotheism. I guess for most monotheist religions, believers are also "shamans" in the sense that they commune with their only god who resides in some sort of spirit world?

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3 years ago
Aug 25, 2021, 8:32:53 AM

It's apparently easy to miss the option to evolve your religion, as numerous people don't seem to be aware of it. The AI always sticking to Shamanism/Polytheism doesn't help either. 

Whenever you can choose a tenet, there is a dropdown to reform your religion to a historical one right above the holy site graphic. Just convert to Judaism, Islam, or Christianity, and pretend things are different now.

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3 years ago
Aug 25, 2021, 8:41:43 AM

It's purely a cosmetic thing and I can see it leading to a shitshow, but maybe there should be additional tab for AI Persona, 'belief', that would make them gun for one particular religion, to make them appear in the game outside of player's intervention?

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3 years ago
Aug 25, 2021, 8:42:00 AM

Historically all ancients religions are polytheism or shamanism  .


If you want , You can change his name with a real monotheism religion name   when you unlock a new tenet

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3 years ago
Aug 25, 2021, 10:38:44 AM
Siptah wrote:

It's apparently easy to miss the option to evolve your religion, as numerous people don't seem to be aware of it. [...]

That is true. It is hard to notice this in the game. I myself only found out about it by chance when I read through the Humankind Wiki.

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3 years ago
Aug 25, 2021, 10:56:51 AM

All current monotheisms evolved from previous polytheisms. Yep - both Judaism and Islam started as a polytheism and only reforms enforced the monotheism. So it's perfectly fine right now.


Even modern Christianity is a quasi-polytheism now, with all those patron-saints and the good old Mary - typical feminine goddess-mother.

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3 years ago
Aug 25, 2021, 12:36:58 PM

It does feel like the religious mechanics are unfinished.  It goes from ancient shamanism/polytheism to secularism/atheism and completely skips the 'organized religion' phase of history.  Hopefully they add something in there to make it more interesting to work with.


They've also got to balance the way it spreads.  Right now religion spreads exponentially in a way where the entire continent is converted to a single religion by the end of the classical age and no other religions can compete.

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3 years ago
Aug 25, 2021, 1:49:34 PM
Bridger wrote:

It does feel like the religious mechanics are unfinished.  It goes from ancient shamanism/polytheism to secularism/atheism and completely skips the 'organized religion' phase of history.  Hopefully they add something in there to make it more interesting to work with.


They've also got to balance the way it spreads.  Right now religion spreads exponentially in a way where the entire continent is converted to a single religion by the end of the classical age and no other religions can compete.

I believe the ‚phase of organized religion‘ is represented by the tenets, civics, and holy sites. Agreed that the shamanism/polytheism bonus faith generation is too impactful right now, as it makes most other +faith later on negligible.

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3 years ago
Aug 25, 2021, 8:41:03 PM
Siptah wrote:

It's apparently easy to miss the option to evolve your religion, as numerous people don't seem to be aware of it. The AI always sticking to Shamanism/Polytheism doesn't help either. 

Whenever you can choose a tenet, there is a dropdown to reform your religion to a historical one right above the holy site graphic. Just convert to Judaism, Islam, or Christianity, and pretend things are different now.

Ok thanks I completely missed that,  It would still be nice to pick it from the start wiith its own bonuses though

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3 years ago
Aug 25, 2021, 9:49:51 PM

I kinda like the flexibility of giving your religion your own bonuses to be honest. That said, I would love to have some events for every historical one that is included at some point.

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3 years ago
Aug 25, 2021, 10:17:52 PM
Siptah wrote:

I kinda like the flexibility of giving your religion your own bonuses to be honest. That said, I would love to have some events for every historical one that is included at some point.

I do too Im just saying in the same way shamanism and polytheism have bonuses from the start  Monotheism should have some as well.  Maybe something like +3 faith per territory and +2 stability per city following it  

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3 years ago
Nov 16, 2021, 2:52:38 AM

I wish someone would mod this idea. I do find it odd that for starting tenets they left you with only 2 options


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3 years ago
Nov 16, 2021, 1:01:22 PM
goldenfalcon123 wrote:

I wish someone would mod this idea. I do find it odd that for starting tenets religion they left you with only 2 options


That's because historically the first religions were only poly-theistic or shamanistic.  If you want monotheism, then select one of the real world religions when you select your first tenet.

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3 years ago
Nov 16, 2021, 2:19:34 PM

I really hope they add a function to improve the religion system in future expansions.
Allow us to create and customize our religion in the main menu (like our avatar)
Allow us to choose "themes" and such that has event impacts.
Perhaps even different looking shrines, etc.

Things like that.

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3 years ago
Nov 16, 2021, 3:09:16 PM

That's what I wrote in the thread, a 'belief' added to avatar persona, so that they'd try to choose it when available (or stick to Shamanism/Polytheism if you choose it as their preferred belief) - or even attempt to convert to it if it already exists in the game could be interesting.


I'm still amazed by how much work was put into other religions, especially all the art and models for Holy Sites, yet the game fails to show it to the point that I'm pretty certain there's still a major group of players who aren't even aware that stuff like Judaism or Islam is in the game.

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3 years ago
Nov 16, 2021, 3:25:52 PM

They just need to prompt you to select your new religion name whenever you get a new Tenet.(or at least at the first one). You can still “reselect”.  (and they could have AIs select them as well…although then they should probably allow duplicates…If the AI Greeks already selected Islam I should be able to select Mongol Islam as my updated religion…and get the Islam shrine+event).


 If they did add Monotheism* as an initial choice, I would make it +10 faith on Capital and +5 on Holy Sites. (ie even more “centralized” Polytheism which is even more centralized than Shamanism)


*maybe call it Monolatry

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3 years ago
Nov 16, 2021, 7:04:58 PM
FaeBriona wrote:
goldenfalcon123 wrote:

I wish someone would mod this idea. I do find it odd that for starting tenets religion they left you with only 2 options


That's because historically the first religions were only poly-theistic or shamanistic.  If you want monotheism, then select one of the real world religions when you select your first tenet.

Respectfully that is not the point. Even if you believe that historically, the fact of the matter is it is a game which is allowing you to have customization therefore their should be more options especially a game that is about humankind.

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3 years ago
Jan 14, 2022, 1:21:44 AM
goldenfalcon123 wrote:

I wish someone would mod this idea. I do find it odd that for starting tenets they left you with only 2 options


I would be grateful if someone did mod this or knew of a mod that did this thx

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