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A Better Word than "Fame"?

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5 years ago
Apr 13, 2020, 3:16:00 PM

I'm incredibly excited for the release of Humankind, and am also a big fan of the game's single victory condition that is achieved through the gathering of "Fame". On paper, it sounds like a very appropriate measure of success in a game that represents cultures and civilisations from throughout human history, not just contemporary nations, and reduces the bloating of later eras by allowing the player the ability to work towards victory from the get-go. I also like the fact that, due to the broad nature of this condition, players are given the opportunity to explore different avenues of gameplay and change the direction of the culture throughout the game, instead of being forced to focus on a particular orientation from early on.


This being said, I wonder if this currency of sorts could have a better name than "Fame". Although it is suitable enough by defintion, describing the state of being known by many, I feel as though in its modern context, it has a slightly warped connotation. "Fame" or the status of being "famous" is something I more so associate with celebrities rather than historical factions, and someone who is a celebrity is not always deserving of the attention they garner. Therefore, I have up with a few suggestions for other potential words that could be used instead:


  • Prestige
    widespread respect and admiration felt for someone or something on the basis of a perception of their achievements, quality, or social influence.


  • Eminence
    fame or acknowledged importance or superiority within a particular sphere.


  • Prominence
    the state of being important, famous, or noticeable.


  • Reputation
    the opinion that people in general have about someone or something, or how much respect or admiration someone or something receives, based on past behaviour or character.


Obviously, I'm nit-picking here, but I think these terms are more elegant and better describe qualities you are trying to convey with "Fame". 


Furthermore, I noticed the use of the phrase "Era Medals" in the latest Feature Focus video, and I think this would be more fitting than "Era Stars". The awarding of five-pointed stars is a relatively new practice, and mostly associated with the United States of America and modern communist nations such as the Soviet Union. "Era Medals" I think would be more fitting due to the more generic nature of the term and its deeper, more widespread history. The use of medallions can be dated as far back to Alexander the Great.


Thank you for your time :)

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5 years ago
Jul 10, 2020, 4:41:06 PM

I find it strange that this topic didn't catch anybody's attention. Currently trying to look for Fame-threads from the Fame=Score-POV but I found this interesting too.


I agree, "fame" sounds a bit underwhelming and can be downright negative, because one can be (IN)famous. Then again on the flipside, if I've understood it correctly, you would gain Fame from military kills and such like as well so having Fame swing both ways, as simply a way to describe how recognized you and your culture & empire is, I guess it kind of fits.


It's a personal taste thing I guess, but I definitely like Prestige. It feels to have a bit more 'bling' to it, in a sense of worldly monetary value (or maybe that's just me) but it describes value in a more broad sense indeed.


I'd throw Prominence in the suggestion mix too.

-Immediately noticeable, conspicuous

-Widely known, eminent


-Standing out so as to be seen easily; conspicuous; particularly noticeable

-Standing out beyond the adjacent surface or line, projecting

-Leading, important, or well-known


-Standing out or projecting beyond a surface or line, protuberant

-Readily noticeable, conspicuous

-Widely and popularly known, leading


(From Merriam-Webster, dictionary.com & thefreedictionary.com)


Both Prestige and Prominence have a nice ring with "points" too. As in, you're collecting 'prestige points' or 'prominence points'.


Fame? Anybody can get their fifteen minutes of fame. But to be prestigious? Ah, now that's something! I need me some fine wine or tea.

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5 years ago
Jul 10, 2020, 5:44:17 PM

I don't have a problem with fame as the name for the point system, but if we are taking suggestions, Renown is a pretty good name for points as well.

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