Multilateral deals and treaties are often weak or non existent in 4x like civ, could be nice to be able to do some of that

It might however be harder to balance with few player number to avoid being wrecked, but i guess maintening a powerful alliance would be costly in influence

Sadly, mechanics like this end up ignored by 90% of players, and the 10% are probably capable of executing such protocols themselves from a discord call. That's for the best I think. Mechanics like this have a bit of a learning curve, especially given that players only interact with them briefly compared to the hours and hours of other things they're doing in the game (not to mention pvp players often ignore each other and/or leave before the game gets far enough for this). And until someone masters the learning curve, the mechanics will just seem like an overcomplicated and arbitrary impediment. Seems better to just let the players figure it out among themselves, in terms of dev resources and mechanical simplicity.

Now a mod on the other hand, maybe someone will make something good enough to be standardized for pvp. That would surprise me though.

SpacesuitSpiff wrote:

Sadly, mechanics like this end up ignored by 90% of players, and the 10% are probably capable of executing such protocols themselves from a discord call. That's for the best I think. Mechanics like this have a bit of a learning curve, especially given that players only interact with them briefly compared to the hours and hours of other things they're doing in the game (not to mention pvp players often ignore each other and/or leave before the game gets far enough for this). And until someone masters the learning curve, the mechanics will just seem like an overcomplicated and arbitrary impediment. Seems better to just let the players figure it out among themselves, in terms of dev resources and mechanical simplicity.

Now a mod on the other hand, maybe someone will make something good enough to be standardized for pvp. That would surprise me though.

Here fact is humankind came up with a different concept. If i have powerful rival to damage him we can go for alliance and come up with operations to counter it like stop trading, trade blockade, etc.

In humankind there is expand limit after crossing it we can face penalties. 

I think who have a strategic mind can have greater advantage because we only have 1 victory type.

Abhi2410 wrote:

SpacesuitSpiff wrote:

Sadly, mechanics like this end up ignored by 90% of players, and the 10% are probably capable of executing such protocols themselves from a discord call. That's for the best I think. Mechanics like this have a bit of a learning curve, especially given that players only interact with them briefly compared to the hours and hours of other things they're doing in the game (not to mention pvp players often ignore each other and/or leave before the game gets far enough for this). And until someone masters the learning curve, the mechanics will just seem like an overcomplicated and arbitrary impediment. Seems better to just let the players figure it out among themselves, in terms of dev resources and mechanical simplicity.

Now a mod on the other hand, maybe someone will make something good enough to be standardized for pvp. That would surprise me though.

Here fact is humankind came up with a different concept. If i have powerful rival to damage him we can go for alliance and come up with operations to counter it like stop trading, trade blockade, etc.

In humankind there is expand limit after crossing it we can face penalties. 

I think who have a strategic mind can have greater advantage because we only have 1 victory type.

tbh I haven't heard any indication of there being such a limit on expansion? Where did you get that information?

Alice99 wrote:

Abhi2410 wrote:

SpacesuitSpiff wrote:

Sadly, mechanics like this end up ignored by 90% of players, and the 10% are probably capable of executing such protocols themselves from a discord call. That's for the best I think. Mechanics like this have a bit of a learning curve, especially given that players only interact with them briefly compared to the hours and hours of other things they're doing in the game (not to mention pvp players often ignore each other and/or leave before the game gets far enough for this). And until someone masters the learning curve, the mechanics will just seem like an overcomplicated and arbitrary impediment. Seems better to just let the players figure it out among themselves, in terms of dev resources and mechanical simplicity.

Now a mod on the other hand, maybe someone will make something good enough to be standardized for pvp. That would surprise me though.

Here fact is humankind came up with a different concept. If i have powerful rival to damage him we can go for alliance and come up with operations to counter it like stop trading, trade blockade, etc.

In humankind there is expand limit after crossing it we can face penalties. 

I think who have a strategic mind can have greater advantage because we only have 1 victory type.

tbh I haven't heard any indication of there being such a limit on expansion? Where did you get that information?

In every amplitude game there is and ih live stream they were talking about it.

I'm not sure what you mean by "expand limit". Founding outposts, attaching territories, and building cities becomes more expensive as you get more, and there is an administrator mechanic so when you have more cities than administrators the unadministrated cities face penalties. This type of mechanic has been changed several times already and the devs have not yet settled in on how exactly they want it to work.

Eulogos wrote:

I'm not sure what you mean by "expand limit". Founding outposts, attaching territories, and building cities becomes more expensive as you get more, and there is an administrator mechanic so when you have more cities than administrators the unadministrated cities face penalties. This type of mechanic has been changed several times already and the devs have not yet settled in on how exactly they want it to work.

I was talking about that.