Effects

+5 Industry Industry

+5 Money Money

+10 Pollution Pollution

-10 Stability Stability

Creates a new Deposit of Weapon Weapons which is automatically exploited.

-10 Stability Stability per Weapon Weapon on all Cities

+1 Strength Combat Strength per Weapon Weapon on Unit

This bonus is applied for every single arms factory built by the soviets. A friend of mine easily managed to maintain 20 of those. 20!

Even a small difference in power is already strong. but 20 is just nuts. Even 10 is. 

This should be a 1x building. You can have exactly 1 of it and maybe gain 1-3 strength but not more.

I think the bigger problem here is Stability scaling in the lategame.  Most Contemporary cities have something like +1200 Stability from various modifiers and -800 from districts, etc.  That 20 combat strength gives -200 Stability to those cities, which isn't enough to tip the scales - but should be.  If Stability were reigned in a bit, such that cities were at closer to (100)+250-250, your friend would only be able to build 10 before stability hits 0 and no more districts could be built.

TLDR: nerf manufactories.

Agreed with drocco. The concept is good, but since stability is very easy to maintain it's completely broken. Ideally you shouldn't be able to build that many.

Also good ideas :) Whatever the solution, one must be found.

Soviets are too strong and need a nerf overall... they aren't even designed right. Why do they get +3 combat strength AND bonus strength from Arms factories? The Soviet way was to win with massive attacks, not be better fighters 1-1. I'll spare the history lesson but they overwhelm with numbers, not better fighters. If anything, their bonus should be - 30% unit cost, - 30% unit upkeep, - 1 unit population requirement (if the number is 2 or above) but suffer a -3 penalty to unit combat strength. 

You don't have to pick and call out any Era5 or Era 6 culture. Everone is OP in their own way

Let dem commies have the cake and eat it for once! :-D
But I do have to agree that a simple fixed stability malus at a point in game when you already have like +3 stability per pop is a weak tradeoff.

Perhaps hurt max stability or per pop stability instead?

Don't forget the arms factory is also a market quarter for some reason.

TBH when I first played the game I didnt really read the desc close enough and I sort of assumed that the arms factory only affected the city it was built in(and that it only affected millita units in that city) which TBH would have been a lot cooler(and better version of the defense agency basically) 

LegionhorseAintdumb8 wrote:

TBH when I first played the game I didnt really read the desc close enough and I sort of assumed that the arms factory only affected the city it was built in(and that it only affected millita units in that city) which TBH would have been a lot cooler(and better version of the defense agency basically) 

I agree. This would give the units an additional 3-5 CS from arms factory. But since I don't like pure

militaristic cultures, which is what the Soviets are like right now - this limits the game as you only have 1 way to gain fame - kill and if you fail you won't have a plan B - I would suggest removing the extra CS from their LT and give them some kind of economic bonus - for example, a 20% discount on infrastructure.

I'm a new player, this is only my 3rd game. I crushed the game on humankind difficulty with 9 opponents though, due to former experience with this kind of games. 

I am 5k fame ahead of the next civ, which has been my ally for millennia and happens to be the Soviets. I figured I'd attack them in the end, although it feels bad, it would give me an opportunity to test out all my new weapons. Accidentally I check out the combat strength of his musketeers, 62?? Ok, that's more than my attack helicopters... The dude has 11 weapons factories. While I don't really mind having the Soviets as an "end boss" on high difficulty games, I find it a bit weird that I will have to employ Soviet style strategy - strength in numbers, to crush his Napoleonic era, weapon bloated Rambos... I almost attacked him to my detriment without having built up my high tech army, which would've led to tragedy, although some comedy value!

To those who have followed the game closely, do you think that the devs are going to fix the game? I see such huge potential in it, but the balance issues seems to drag an otherwise golden title down in the mud :(

Olsnes wrote:
To those who have followed the game closely, do you think that the devs are going to fix the game? I see such huge potential in it, but the balance issues seems to drag an otherwise golden title down in the mud :(

They've changed the Soviets a bit already: Those 62-strength Musketeers you saw would be able to attack you until a recent patch.  Now they're limited to benefitting from Weapons Factories within their own territories (while "Supplied") and not within your territories.  Still a bit of a terror.  I think/hope we may see more tweaks in the future, like units only benefitting from Weapons Factories within the city they're stationed in.  That might be 4-6 (or more, yeah) which makes them a tough nut to crack, but not impossible.

My issue is that the Soviets still benefit from having better units because of their LT, so if they're not behind technologically, they can still go in, take the city and get Supplied, making counterattack impossible. But we've been told, I believe, that those balance changes were just a first wave and some may seem timid, because devs wanted to get the stats first. So fingers crossed.

Here's a thread of mine in wich I proposed a possible rework of the district. I wouldn't like to advertise what I wrote but I hope that you could find it useful 

DNLH wrote:

My issue is that the Soviets still benefit from having better units because of their LT, so if they're not behind technologically, they can still go in, take the city and get Supplied, making counterattack impossible. But we've been told, I believe, that those balance changes were just a first wave and some may seem timid, because devs wanted to get the stats first. So fingers crossed.

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that the Soviet LT is cheaper, stronger units already (truth be told I've never played as them).  That's certainly already really strong.  I wonder if the solution is that instead of tweaking Weapons Factories, they just get some other sort of EQ entirely.

A1y0sh4 wrote:

Here's a thread of mine in wich I proposed a possible rework of the district. I wouldn't like to advertise what I wrote but I hope that you could find it useful 

That is indeed useful! Posted in it :)