Reicha wrote:

Here on local pollution: https://humankind.fandom.com/wiki/Pollution is that local pollution per turn per city? If so, then it must be a bug, because I had total collapse of some of my cities at 20-ish local pollution per city already.

Local pollution is per territory not city. 

yes really disappointing, i just saw game ended at 20k pollution, 12k for one ai and then me at 8k, and im barely out of the steam age ?? at this point cant play the game at all no point, i mean how have they played even like one game and not see this ??? 

At this point I don't get why can't we simply get a quick update with an option to disable pollution. I will admit that my knowledge of game programming is close to non-existent but how hard is it to add one toggle that switches all instances of pollution to 0? I can get that developers have "vision" for their game but to be honest I feel punished for once again pre-ordering the game. If not for the fact that my first game lasted ~20 hours and I am no longer able to refund the game I would have had done that. This is how big of an issue pollution is for me. And in that first game, since I got that first pop-up about pollution my game lasted only 30 minutes before it ended due to pollution. To have your first epic experience end in such anticlimactic way killed all the enjoyment I had and I have not touched the game ever since. Seeing no acknowledgment or fix for pollution mean I will probably move on to other games and forget humankind ever existed. 

My suggestion for pollution would be that effects of pollution should be global on every city on the planet. I think we should also have some way to fight climate change. Switch to clean energy sources, and some futuristic technologies like clean aviation or even a large end game atmospheric project. 

We should also give these effects time to actually happen, but in my second and third game I got to the end of tech tree very quickly and the game ended (psa: don't play as Sweden if you don't want to beat the game super fast). 

I'm really enjoying the game overall despite some caveats, but man the current implementation of the pollution mechanic has truly ruined it for me. I finally finished my first game ever (Endless, Large) and was very surprised to find that there was no way to slow the pollution mechanic quickly enough to survive (despite me going hard for clean energy solutions as soon as the mechanic started). It left me not wanting to play another game (despite me being very hyped about this game, enjoying the betas and this genre, and being a very strong climate change advocate).

Please keep the local and global pollution mechanics (and all aspects of the mechanic), but just balance out the actual numbers. As previous posters mentioned, there should be an option to get the really sinister stuff (factory farming, etc), and really roll the dice on cutting it too close if you want to roleplay a nation like that. Specifically I want the stability penalties left in to some degree (because this makes sense, and I think may be more of a factor in real life than people are realizing).

Along with this, we need a much clearer interface elements in terms of Stability and Food penalties. Please have a total benefits and total maluses section of Stability (instead of it breaking it down into 2 or 3 super categories; I can't be doing addition constantly to try to figure how much stability loss I have to make up for). Please also call out the local pollution stability penalties in the cities' interface, not just the global. The only reason I even noticed each district was giving me a stability penalty in a polluted area was because I accidentally moused over a district and noticed it. Before it was just "why are my cities randomly going from 100 stability to 0 from one turn to another in the late-middle game??"

Thanks for your consideration.

Hello,

I have to agree DuncanIdahoMonk.

This game is so fantastic until the last era. I really love this game and I think it is much better than CIV except for the last era. The last era with the pollution system destroys the complete game.

The first problem is that the stability decreses to 0 if a city has "low pollution".

Today we would be happy if our cities have just a low pollution in real live.

This is disturbing but you can prevent it.

But the worse thing is, that the game ends by to much pollution.

Every single of my cities just has "very low pollution" and even that is too much.

My nation produced the most pollution in the world => But just every city with "very low pollution".

And nevertheless, the game ends because of too much pollution.

This is so fustrating.

I hope that this will be improved => At the momnet I don't want to play another match.

Bye.

Hello! I apologize for the spelling, I am writing via google translator.

With the pollution mechanics, alas, a clear problem, playing on Humankind difficulty, the game ends at 230. The world is just dying. Most of the time, AI pollutes the world. There is no war on planes, tanks and artillery. You can only abruptly end the game by winning through space projects.

It would be nice to have the ability to optionally disable this mechanic!

Please do something about it! I want to play, and not receive moral instructions about ecology)

Windforce100 wrote:

Local pollution on the other hand has effect of -15/-20 stability & -50%/-100% food faith influence science money production on each district within polluted territory. This means merely 10 district in a low pollution territory would cause -150 stability(probably need to build about 5 new garrison to support this territory alone) and at high pollution whole territory is practically dead weight.

Garrisons doesn't help that much, garrisons are districts which carry the same penalty ;-)

So you need to get your garrison bonus over +20

This issue needs to be fixed, I have no interest in playing this game anymore before that happened.

im not playing again until this wacky system is fixed or removed.  it is completely unbalanced and no fun. the game does very little to warn you about pollution and there is no way to remove the infrastructure that is causing it.  literally 1 infrastructure can make a +100 stability city go to -500

RintFosk wrote:

This issue needs to be fixed, I have no interest in playing this game anymore before that happened.

Agreed. There has to be a way to go carbon neutral, even if it comes at the cost of stability, gold and influence.

Luckily I play on endless and huge maps, so I haven't had any issues. It's kind of crazy too me the amount of scaling ther eis  for map sizes and turn speed. 

Agree with everyone here: this poorly implemented pollution mechanic kills the endgame.

I didn't read the full discussion, but the pollution is broken.

-You don't get any benefits for not cutting the forests

-Planting new forests is just a small short-term impact

-Having a few cities with low-very low pollution is enough to create a major backslash.

-It creates a snowball (for me it's the biggest issue). The pollution raises and your food production decreases, but then you need to build more food production... which increases the pollution.

-We need better and more effective ways to decrease pollution (especially for the farms)

-Big diplomatic backslash if you have any pollution at all (even if it is super small)

The pollution mechanics are by far the worst attribute in this game.

I really love this game, but knowing that the pollution WILL end the game what ever I can do, made me stop playing it until it's re-worked.