Hello, I have I played the Humankind and quite a few matches as well and while Endless Mode does give you a lot of turns make your way to the final age by the time you make it to the modern or even industrial age takes way too long and don't get my started on how long it takes to research something 600 turns go by way too fast. I had one game where I was only at the early modern age and it already turn #520 I feel that Endless mode should be that Endless unless you, of course, kill of vassilze all empire or make earth unsustainable to humankind. I hope a Dev sees this otherwise interesting game. 

Very good idea!!  

Like!!!!!!

Agree! I want to a true endless mode. In some games it feels like the end part of the game, and therefore the end warfare's technology are to rushed.

You can play after last turn. You can simply hop back to the game and play way after normal turns. From my observation, if You still play after and, the game is more likely to freeze turn or start to misbehave (invisible units, districts etc.)

That said, if You lose to AI, You can just rush nukes and show them, that You are a superior player.

The game feels to be balanced around the fact, that the contemporary era is reached only shortly before the end of game. You're not supposed to have all technologies expect for when you really pushed science through your entire game. The last technologies and contemporary emblematic districts are just extreme (one basically ends all air units and one can easily double your combat strength) and if you build even a quarter of the pollution you could build then you won't even see the end of the turns you officially get.

What I'm saying is, you are not supposed to take your time in the contemporary era, its a race to the finish.

Is true I hope speed and turn limit are independent option and you can set no limit.

Yes, endless is not endless and once reaching industrial era, things feel they are rushing towards the end. Especially the 2 final eras should last a lot longer than they do now.

I did reach contemporary era before 600th turn, but I wasn't even half way through the science tree and I wasn't done playing! I know I can continue but really, why should I even bother when I already won the game? It felt like an anti-climax to me, to win a game that wasn't finished in my mind.

In addition, I would also plea for different winning scenarios, the most fame at turn 600 can be one, but reaching the end of the science tree could be another. Or conquest, influence, etc. Please consider different ways to win the game.

inflatablemouse wrote:

Yes, endless is not endless and once reaching industrial era, things feel they are rushing towards the end. Especially the 2 final eras should last a lot longer than they do now.

I did reach contemporary era before 600th turn, but I wasn't even half way through the science tree and I wasn't done playing! I know I can continue but really, why should I even bother when I already won the game? It felt like an anti-climax to me, to win a game that wasn't finished in my mind.

In addition, I would also plea for different winning scenarios, the most fame at turn 600 can be one, but reaching the end of the science tree could be another. Or conquest, influence, etc. Please consider different ways to win the game.

You already have multiple ways to win: most fame before someone make Earth inhabitable, Turn 600, mission to Mars, completing all the 4 master techs (it was complete science tree but changed recently iirc?), eliminates others, ... The economic win is not there, but Amplitude had this one in ES 2, maybe it will appear. Not one I like to be honest^^

About the fast pace of the 2 last eras:

I don't know, I like the last era being a rush, because it is history wise pretty close to reality right? USA was born about 245 years ago, late of early modern but most importantly industrial and modern era, while the Egyptian, well...

The "Age of the Pyramid Builders" was already 500 years (c. 2686-2181 B.C.) and the Markata unit, I am not expert at all but I associate that with Ramses 2 etc, so after a little search, they started to use chariots in 1555 B.C? We are already at 1000 years, but the whole ancient Egypt lasted like 3000 so...

Ok, this is a game, maybe we don't care than much about history, but even from the point of view of a game, what is bad about this change of pace? The fact it is different from Civilization games is undeniable, but it is very probably intentional! Each era is a new chance to catch up, and the last era force you to follow the pace of others, rather than building cities in you side of the map. Because if you miss lunar exploration, satellites, the nuclear research, space/lunar exploration, and your opponent reach Mars before you, get exo armors etc. you will be "in decline" in a way unless you have a biiiig advance in fame. Thanks to this, the game remain interesting for others even if, with only stars, one player cannot be beaten at this time. The bonus fame from modern era can give you like 1500 fame if you are the best each time, you still have a chance if you are not  first. And I like that, personally.

@inflatablemouse For you science, if you were half way through the science tree, but in the contemporary era, maybe you didn't skip enough techs? The tutorial tells you are supposed to make choices, not to unlock all. The "unlock all the tech tree" is something you can do only with a big focus on science I think. I don't play in endless, too slow for me, but in other speeds, when I reach contemporary era, I can directly start the era's techs

globule wrote:

inflatablemouse wrote:

Yes, endless is not endless and once reaching industrial era, things feel they are rushing towards the end. Especially the 2 final eras should last a lot longer than they do now.

I did reach contemporary era before 600th turn, but I wasn't even half way through the science tree and I wasn't done playing! I know I can continue but really, why should I even bother when I already won the game? It felt like an anti-climax to me, to win a game that wasn't finished in my mind.

In addition, I would also plea for different winning scenarios, the most fame at turn 600 can be one, but reaching the end of the science tree could be another. Or conquest, influence, etc. Please consider different ways to win the game.

You already have multiple ways to win: most fame before someone make Earth inhabitable, Turn 600, mission to Mars, completing all the 4 master techs (it was complete science tree but changed recently iirc?), eliminates others, ... The economic win is not there, but Amplitude had this one in ES 2, maybe it will appear. Not one I like to be honest^^

About the fast pace of the 2 last eras:

I don't know, I like the last era being a rush, because it is history wise pretty close to reality right? USA was born about 245 years ago, late of early modern but most importantly industrial and modern era, while the Egyptian, well...

The "Age of the Pyramid Builders" was already 500 years (c. 2686-2181 B.C.) and the Markata unit, I am not expert at all but I associate that with Ramses 2 etc, so after a little search, they started to use chariots in 1555 B.C? We are already at 1000 years, but the whole ancient Egypt lasted like 3000 so...

Ok, this is a game, maybe we don't care than much about history, but even from the point of view of a game, what is bad about this change of pace? The fact it is different from Civilization games is undeniable, but it is very probably intentional! Each era is a new chance to catch up, and the last era force you to follow the pace of others, rather than building cities in you side of the map. Because if you miss lunar exploration, satellites, the nuclear research, space/lunar exploration, and your opponent reach Mars before you, get exo armors etc. you will be "in decline" in a way unless you have a biiiig advance in fame. Thanks to this, the game remain interesting for others even if, with only stars, one player cannot be beaten at this time. The bonus fame from modern era can give you like 1500 fame if you are the best each time, you still have a chance if you are not  first. And I like that, personally.

@inflatablemouse For you science, if you were half way through the science tree, but in the contemporary era, maybe you didn't skip enough techs? The tutorial tells you are supposed to make choices, not to unlock all. The "unlock all the tech tree" is something you can do only with a big focus on science I think. I don't play in endless, too slow for me, but in other speeds, when I reach contemporary era, I can directly start the era's techs

There are multiple ways to win but they all have a turn limit. Personally I don't think its that much different from the Civ games, Endless Legend was. Humankind lends the good ideas from both and sets a very good game, but its not much different (not saying thats a good or bad thing, just stating).

And yes, I research everything. I delay things but eventually research them anyway. I didn't mean half way through the tree, I meant half way through the last part for that era. I was almost at the end, basically. hence I felt cheated out of "completing" the game when it ended at 600 turns.

"they all have a turn limit", you mean they cannot be done until last era, maybe? That or I don't understand. I think you can have pollution stop the game or one player who eliminates the others, I don't see turn limit here. But maybe I just don't understand what you said, sorry.

For the cheating sensation, I can understand, even if I don't think the same^^ For me you have choice to make, balance, between science, industry, etc, and if every player could do the entire tech tree, there will be no more choice, only ordering things, and every player/civilization looking the same. If you are an agrarian in prairies, with some peaceful ideology, I don't feel bad if I miss a tech like "Masonry", since my civilization is not about force labor and stone/mountain exploitation!

There are multiple kinds of players, some are more completionists, looking for 100% everywhere, others more going strait to the goal, and others just having fun and spending 30 minutes to do a skin and try to nuke the whole map. That is fine, but it is hard in a game to completely satisfy everyone x) Hope you will find a way to reach your personal goals, I suggest you to take a science culture for the last era, the extra science you can get is really huge, you may need this to "complete" the tech tree! Especially in the slowest settings...