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FabionFox wrote:

I hope there won’t be the same frequent desynchronization issues as in EL1 and Humankind. It really frustrated me that when playing with friends, we often encountered desync and had to restart the session.​

Yes please. This issue has plagued my multiplayer games.

I feel like your suggestion is how the system already works in Endless Legend 1 though? The units have very different appearances between factions, but they all have 3 out of Infantry, Support, Cavalry, Ranged or Flying, which you can equip with different gear to fulfill different battlefield roles:

• Infantry: Two-handed for damage; Sword and Shield for frontlining.
• Support: Buffing/Healing or Debuffing/CC
• Cavalry: As unit type counters
• Ranged: Crossbows for frontlining with the benifits of not getting hit back; Bows for kitting
• Flying: AoE damage or unit type Counters

I forgot the exact weapons for the types beyond infantry and ranged.

Some factions put twists in these unit types, specially the minor factions, for instance Vaulter infantry gets Claws, which have different benefits and status effects when compared to two-handed and sword and shield. Forgotten being able to dual-wield. I think there is a faction or minor faction with Ranged Cavalry.

I found it really fun to add minor faction units which complemented my faction's unit rooster. Not that I am against them changing this system or improving upon it, it just sounded to me like the changes you are suggesting are how Endless Legend 1 already works.

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NoTLucas wrote:

I feel like your suggestion is how the system already works in Endless Legend 1 though? The units have very different appearances between factions, but they all have 3 out of Infantry, Support, Cavalry, Ranged or Flying, which you can equip with different gear to fulfill different battlefield roles:

• Infantry: Two-handed for damage; Sword and Shield for frontlining.
• Support: Buffing/Healing or Debuffing/CC
• Cavalry: As unit type counters
• Ranged: Crossbows for frontlining with the benifits of not getting hit back; Bows for kitting
• Flying: AoE damage or unit type Counters

I forgot the exact weapons for the types beyond infantry and ranged.

Some factions put twists in these unit types, specially the minor factions, for instance Vaulter infantry gets Claws, which have different benefits and status effects when compared to two-handed and sword and shield. Forgotten being able to dual-wield. I think there is a faction or minor faction with Ranged Cavalry.

I found it really fun to add minor faction units which complemented my faction's unit rooster. Not that I am against them changing this system or improving upon it, it just sounded to me like the changes you are suggesting are how Endless Legend 1 already works.

I think hes talking about increasing the unit rosters in general. i.e more than 3 units

Just chiming in to heavily disagree, what sets EL apart from other 4X is its highly asymmetric style (and very engaging fantasy universe), having factions have only 3 types of core units is part of that. When you build around that, customizing and equipping accordingly your units with what you have well that's interesting. Having to weight in this faction minor's bonus to your empire against what unit it brings to the table in terms of unit, that's an interesting choice. That's the gameplay I want.

If you didn't spawn next to what you already decided you need, well now you can try to play the game differently then what you're used to do every game. Out of constraint you get creativity, if the goal is to have a BO for running your empire I don't find it fun.
Disclaimer : While I played a lot of multiplayer EL, none of it was competitive and my view point is much of a single player perspective.

Finally the customization in EL is one of the best thing they have, both in terms of strategic and aesthetics. I spent as much time creating army models in EL as creating characters in BG3.

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WallMarx wrote:

Just chiming in to heavily disagree, what sets EL apart from other 4X is its highly asymmetric style (and very engaging fantasy universe), having factions have only 3 types of core units is part of that. When you build around that, customizing and equipping accordingly your units with what you have well that's interesting. Having to weight in this faction minor's bonus to your empire against what unit it brings to the table in terms of unit, that's an interesting choice. That's the gameplay I want.

If you didn't spawn next to what you already decided you need, well now you can try to play the game differently then what you're used to do every game. Out of constraint you get creativity, if the goal is to have a BO for running your empire I don't find it fun.
Disclaimer : While I played a lot of multiplayer EL, none of it was competitive and my view point is much of a single player perspective.

Finally the customization in EL is one of the best thing they have, both in terms of strategic and aesthetics. I spent as much time creating army models in EL as creating characters in BG3.

Fully agree here. Asymmetric gameplay is what Amplitude is best at. Its the reason i still play these games (even Endless Space 1) because it never gets boring, there is just so much variety. I am also not a competitive MP player and everyone i play with is on the same wavelenght. We get happy each time we play because "oh i wonder how this faction plays like". Unlike in our Civ/Humankind rounds where it became kind of stale now and even mods cant fix it, because everything feels almost the same. I love these games because they don't try to be hyper competitive E-Sport titles. They are fairly balanced for how asymmetrical they are, which is a huge accomplishment with so many unique factions and the faction units in EL just enhance that aspect.

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Shabutaro wrote:

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WallMarx wrote:

Just chiming in to heavily disagree, what sets EL apart from other 4X is its highly asymmetric style (and very engaging fantasy universe), having factions have only 3 types of core units is part of that. When you build around that, customizing and equipping accordingly your units with what you have well that's interesting. Having to weight in this faction minor's bonus to your empire against what unit it brings to the table in terms of unit, that's an interesting choice. That's the gameplay I want.

If you didn't spawn next to what you already decided you need, well now you can try to play the game differently then what you're used to do every game. Out of constraint you get creativity, if the goal is to have a BO for running your empire I don't find it fun.
Disclaimer : While I played a lot of multiplayer EL, none of it was competitive and my view point is much of a single player perspective.

Finally the customization in EL is one of the best thing they have, both in terms of strategic and aesthetics. I spent as much time creating army models in EL as creating characters in BG3.

Fully agree here. Asymmetric gameplay is what Amplitude is best at. Its the reason i still play these games (even Endless Space 1) because it never gets boring, there is just so much variety. I am also not a competitive MP player and everyone i play with is on the same wavelenght. We get happy each time we play because "oh i wonder how this faction plays like". Unlike in our Civ/Humankind rounds where it became kind of stale now and even mods cant fix it, because everything feels almost the same. I love these games because they don't try to be hyper competitive E-Sport titles. They are fairly balanced for how asymmetrical they are, which is a huge accomplishment with so many unique factions and the faction units in EL just enhance that aspect.

I would aruge that you can still do assymetrical gameplay with a bigger roster.
Like if we doubled the unit types from 3 to 6
Could we still have some factions missing a few, or having some that behave in creative or different ways, even with a variety of equipment types and so on.