I often read the tech descriptions and effects. I'd love for them all to make more sense. Please change them so they have at least internal sense.

The one given as an example always bothered me a lot. I agree it would be good to give these some touchups.

I normally cringe whenever I hear someone describe a game's feature as "broken". That's usually quite an exaggeration. But I have to say, Amplitude, that your ES2 tech tree is broken. Thankfully you recognize it (part of the reason why Amplitude always produces such awesome work), and I'm thrilled that ya'll might even be fixing it soon! 

But it is a major pain point for me, and until it is fixed, I'll be skipping ES2 and continue with my Vaulters playthrough of Endless Legend. 

You should definitely do a lore pass, and while you are at it, please also increase the visibility of affinity-specific unlocks.

You should definitely do it

Hey, does anyone know what the status of this update is?

SHOULD WE DO A LORE PASS ON THE TECH TREE?

Yes, yes, you should, Amplitude.

Any word on this yet? You would think with a new DLC that just came out this would have been done by now. Or any time in the, apparently, amazingly,  two years since we voted on this.

It would be really good to have an update on this, because I'm considering modding it myself and I don't want that to be wasted effort.

What's the update on this? Given how much you care about lore and atmosphere in other places it's just embarassing that the tech tree descriptions make no sense and are scatered at random.

i votes yes

gigabytemon wrote:

Buzzkillington1990 wrote:

gigabytemon wrote:

Pardon me, but what exactly is a "lore pass"?

Basically, they're going to go over the Tech Tree and rewrite/replace the lore on some technologies so that they'll make more sense.

In the example given in the OP, the Applied Casimir Effect (ACE) technology "Extending the work on quantum fluctuations of electromagnetic fields, the applied Casimir effect goes much further, enabling the fabric of space time to be "ripped" open." Now, just reading that description, it sounds like it should unlock some form of movement-related technologies or ship-modules, right?

But what it actually unlocks is Cosmetic Genetics (which increases the Pop capacity on Fertile- and Sterile planets) and Alien Grafting II (which improves the food output on planets, with an extra bonus on already Fertile ones), neither of which have anything to do with ACE.

So, Amplitude are going to go over the Tech Tree and change things like that, so that ACE for example, actually unlocks technologies that make sense for its flavor text.

Thank for the explanation! :)

Before i haven't really understanded what this "should we make a lore pass on the tech tree?" was, so i voted it on negative because i thought the devs would have lots of intersting work to do than just "changing the position of certain upgrades into the research tab" because i thought that only changing the position of upgrades would be descnecessary for the tech tree. But after seeing that by saying "lore pass" they also mean into rewrite the description of some upgrades, in wich i believe its a very good thing for the game because i personally found some descriptions a bit... difficult, to understand at first (at least when i started my first game) i believe that if the devs rewrite some descriptions in specific it could make easer to understand what those upgrades do and feel less lost into this sci-fi atmosphere that the devs have just created. 

Because of the reason i told above, i believe im changing my vote from NO to YES, because it would be definitly a good idea, at least into my opinion, to remake the research upgrades descriptions. Because right now they seem very strange, at first glance, and this can help for new players to feel even more lost when they start learning what endless space 2 really is. 

I believe that reading the description of those "flavor" texts, and understanding what they mean, could help people to feel better in understanding its universe, in wich its not the case whit certain upgrades, that are really difficult to understand at first. 

Thats why i believe changing the description and doing a lore pass is defintily necessary for the game. :)

plutar wrote:

I would much prefer a focus on function over form. Focus on game mechanics polish and balance THEN and only then is this a yes.

Our writers don't do much in terms of gameplay features, plutar...

The incorrect lore is actually on of the reasons I found tree misleading and weird at first time and even now. Looking forward to the changes!

I'm gonna say Yes

Yes.  Far too many techs make no sense in terms of what they unlock.

Of course, if you intend to add/change techs, then do that first.

Buzzkillington1990 wrote:

gigabytemon wrote:

Pardon me, but what exactly is a "lore pass"?

Basically, they're going to go over the Tech Tree and rewrite/replace the lore on some technologies so that they'll make more sense.

In the example given in the OP, the Applied Casimir Effect (ACE) technology "Extending the work on quantum fluctuations of electromagnetic fields, the applied Casimir effect goes much further, enabling the fabric of space time to be "ripped" open." Now, just reading that description, it sounds like it should unlock some form of movement-related technologies or ship-modules, right?

But what it actually unlocks is Cosmetic Genetics (which increases the Pop capacity on Fertile- and Sterile planets) and Alien Grafting II (which improves the food output on planets, with an extra bonus on already Fertile ones), neither of which have anything to do with ACE.

So, Amplitude are going to go over the Tech Tree and change things like that, so that ACE for example, actually unlocks technologies that make sense for its flavor text.

Thank for the explanation! :)

Thanks voters, guidewriters will now have to rewrite silly labels.

gigabytemon wrote:

Pardon me, but what exactly is a "lore pass"?

Basically, they're going to go over the Tech Tree and rewrite/replace the lore on some technologies so that they'll make more sense.

In the example given in the OP, the Applied Casimir Effect (ACE) technology "Extending the work on quantum fluctuations of electromagnetic fields, the applied Casimir effect goes much further, enabling the fabric of space time to be "ripped" open." Now, just reading that description, it sounds like it should unlock some form of movement-related technologies or ship-modules, right?

But what it actually unlocks is Cosmetic Genetics (which increases the Pop capacity on Fertile- and Sterile planets) and Alien Grafting II (which improves the food output on planets, with an extra bonus on already Fertile ones), neither of which have anything to do with ACE.

So, Amplitude are going to go over the Tech Tree and change things like that, so that ACE for example, actually unlocks technologies that make sense for its flavor text.