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Should we do a lore pass on the tech tree?

Our first vote of 2018 asks an important question: should we do a lore pass on the tech tree?

Let's add some context: the tech tree went through numerous modifications and changes over the last year and some, and since the Early Access, because of gameplay needs we have added, tweaked, changed, moved things around... the current tech tree has a fair amount of techs that are completely disconnected from their unlocks. Here's an example:

One of these things is not like the others...

Applied Casimir Effect was a technology players in the first Endless Space loved to rush, as it allowed players to get out of their starting constellation to start exploring the rest of the galaxy. Due to our numerous changes, though, it now unlocks food improvements and specializations. If you're an experienced player, there's a good chance you don't read these things anymore. If you're a new player, though, that's bound to be confusing, and a little less immersing than what you're used to if you like to follow the universe in our games.

This is why we're asking you, our players, new and experienced: should we harmonize it? This might entail moving things around like certain unlocks, icons, or just swapping titles and descriptions in other instances. In any case, it might be a little different at first, and you could need some time to adjust, but we think the tech tree would definitely be better moving forward.

So what do you say? Should we do that lore pass?

Vote completed 7 years ago

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Yes, do it!

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No, don't do it!

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InfectedAdri

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InfectedAdri

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18 200g2g pts

7 years ago

Feb 1, 2018, 5:08:17 PM

I say, do it for the lore.

Isn't the lore a major part of the game?
At least for me, it's one of the big reasons I play the Endless games. It's all about that sweet, sweet lore!

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Kareal

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Kareal

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7 years ago

Feb 1, 2018, 4:58:26 PM

Slowhands wrote:
Hi all,

This vote is only about adjusting the descriptions and the lore/logic; this is not a tech tree redesign. Just to clarify a few things:
This is mostly writer time, not designer time, so it is not going to impact other design work in the pipeline
If the community in general is not in favor of doing it, us writers do have other things to do!
If the No vote wins, the tech tree stays as is (other than design/balance/DLC work). The tech tree evolves as the game evolves, but there is no current plan to overhaul the design.
-Slow

Writer time is precious, however for us to make some degree of informed decision we need an alternate option. If the choice was between a lore rework for the Tech Tree or for the Side Quests or for the Unique Planets, that would be a real choice... You say you have other things to do, in these votes tell us what those things are!

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Marchallmo

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Marchallmo

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19 500g2g pts

7 years ago

Feb 1, 2018, 4:46:43 PM

Horatio approves of this.

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Ningauble

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Ningauble

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7 years ago

Jan 31, 2018, 5:59:17 PM

I'm going to give this a grok. Changes to tech trees are divisive. I loved your change to the military techs. But more changes might be overwhelming and distracting.

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Darkvramp

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Darkvramp

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7 years ago

Feb 1, 2018, 4:28:50 PM

Before final changes, can we get a in progress of this if that is what you are going to do, it would help us as players before any HUGE changes are put into place to see if they change the game too much, like slow the game down or make one faction more powerful at some points than others.

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solrac137

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solrac137

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7 years ago

Feb 1, 2018, 2:52:24 PM

Slowhands wrote:
Hi all,

This vote is only about adjusting the descriptions and the lore/logic; this is not a tech tree redesign. Just to clarify a few things:
This is mostly writer time, not designer time, so it is not going to impact other design work in the pipeline
If the community in general is not in favor of doing it, us writers do have other things to do!
If the No vote wins, the tech tree stays as is (other than design/balance/DLC work). The tech tree evolves as the game evolves, but there is no current plan to overhaul the design.
-Slow

It would be awesome if you guys fix it! on another note sorry for bothering but do you think it is possible that we could get module lore descriptions please ? :D like for the new railgun modules or boarding pods or speed modules i would understand if thats not planned or its too much work but it would be cool to se something else beside mere stadistics.

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Mental_Dwarf

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Mental_Dwarf

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25 600g2g pts

7 years ago

Feb 1, 2018, 2:46:34 PM

Do it, it would be much more immersive for players who enjoy the lore of the game... but, I don't think its something that needs to be a priority. I'm with minurominerwin on this one, Heroes need some love, skill trees ar over simplistic and ugly.

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iDrunk

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iDrunk

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37 300g2g pts

7 years ago

Feb 1, 2018, 1:46:21 PM

Hard to choose - it's will be totally a great thing if you do this and regulate the lore. On the other hand I dont want you to spend too much resources which can be spent on more interesting things.

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DanielSas

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ES2 is an amazing game! I'm completely in love with it!

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DanielSas

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7 years ago

Feb 1, 2018, 11:45:11 AM

Slowhands wrote:
Hi all,

This vote is only about adjusting the descriptions and the lore/logic; this is not a tech tree redesign. Just to clarify a few things:
This is mostly writer time, not designer time, so it is not going to impact other design work in the pipeline
If the community in general is not in favor of doing it, us writers do have other things to do!
If the No vote wins, the tech tree stays as is (other than design/balance/DLC work). The tech tree evolves as the game evolves, but there is no current plan to overhaul the design.
-Slow

Do this only if you guys keep making Quality TIme with Jeff!

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digitalbin

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digitalbin

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7 years ago

Feb 1, 2018, 11:05:56 AM

I never notice the titles of the techs any more and just check the benefits. So it is not a huge issue for me, but I still voted yes.

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DEVSlowhands

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DEVSlowhands

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7 years ago

Feb 1, 2018, 9:48:27 AM

Hi all,

This vote is only about adjusting the descriptions and the lore/logic; this is not a tech tree redesign. Just to clarify a few things:

This is mostly writer time, not designer time, so it is not going to impact other design work in the pipeline
If the community in general is not in favor of doing it, us writers do have other things to do!
If the No vote wins, the tech tree stays as is (other than design/balance/DLC work). The tech tree evolves as the game evolves, but there is no current plan to overhaul the design.

-Slow