Balance Starting positions

Mtwo

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 4:21:50 PM

Igncom1 wrote:
When life gives you lemons, Burn lifes house down! with the lemons!

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x239marine

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x239marine

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13 years ago

May 9, 2012, 9:12:59 PM

It's all personal preference really, i quite like having to quickly adapt to what I'm given, and at least if you get a 'hard' start you can try another game until you find a good start

Camelfarm

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Camelfarm

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13 years ago

May 9, 2012, 8:41:22 PM

well, you could start with zero. Maybe there is that option if we get a insane difficulty..

gunnergoz

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gunnergoz

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13 years ago

May 9, 2012, 7:48:29 PM

If it is not that good a system, look for another or re-start until you get one you like. 1 in 5 seems to be great and 1 in 5 seems to be lousy.

octacore35

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octacore35

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13 years ago

May 9, 2012, 7:24:47 PM

restart the game if uarn't happy with your starting system.

what i saw, also the AI gets often sh.... system to deal with.

Same with heros.

Wiz33

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Wiz33

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13 years ago

May 9, 2012, 5:48:12 PM

I just got the game so this may have been covered before. The earliest stumbling block I ran into is the lack of Titanium 70 and was not able to put level 2 armor upgrade on my ship and unable to build cruisers. I don't mind needing some exotic material for the higher end ships, planetary and system upgrades but not being able to build cruiser (which I assume is only a mid level ship) was a bit harsh.

Platescale

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Platescale

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 6:32:45 PM

Maybe the game ought to have some options for the player to choose between in terms of their starting setup. I've seen some Civ mods that enable this. They let the player pick options like 'Legendary Start' as a toggle that will prefer to put civilizations in the best possible locations. It'd be cool to have that here too.

I am imagining a series of drop-down options. You could choose whether the game favors the players, the AI, or neither when assigning starts. You could choose whether the game prefers awesome starts, rotten starts, or average starts. You could choose whether it attempts balancing at all. Finally, you could choose whether it tries to space players evenly or not.

Of course, the more specific you are, the more likely the placement algorithm is going to sputter along for five minutes before placing you, and the less likely you are to actually get something meeting all the criteria. I've seen that in Civ mods too. So this is maybe not the best idea, though I still think it's a decent one.

commanderkai

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commanderkai

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 6:25:22 PM

Yeah I've noticed this too. Starting a game with one or two planets in your starting system is always a difficult game, and usually I just restart.

Sm31415

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Sm31415

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 6:22:26 PM

You dont get to pick where your species evolves lol

Urdnot-Shepard

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Urdnot-Shepard

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 6:20:20 PM

ArrowLance wrote:
I believe I read that spawn inconsistencies were on watch for the development team. Nobody wants to restart 3 or 4 times looking for a good spawn.

I never had problems. 8/10 I got a spawn that was adequate.

Antulamatsch

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Antulamatsch

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 6:15:46 PM

First Starsystem 4-5 Planets, just my opinion.

ArrowLance

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ArrowLance

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 6:15:36 PM

Urdnot-Shepard wrote:
This. Or you can just make another new game. It isn't that bad, plus some people might appreciate the challenge.

I believe I read that spawn inconsistencies were on watch for the development team. Nobody wants to restart 3 or 4 times looking for a good spawn.

Urdnot-Shepard

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Urdnot-Shepard

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 6:11:56 PM

Cruiser wrote:
When life deals you lemons, you make lemonade. Deal with the situation. If you have a rough start its so much more pleasing when you come out on top.

This. Or you can just make another new game. It isn't that bad, plus some people might appreciate the challenge.

Sebmono

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Sebmono

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 5:04:33 PM

Cruiser wrote:
When life deals you lemons, you make lemonade. Deal with the situation. If you have a rough start its so much more pleasing when you come out on top.

If life gave you lemons and you made lemonade, then it implies life also gave you sugar....which kind of ruins the metaphor.

ArrowLance

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ArrowLance

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 4:44:48 PM

Randeng wrote:
Good idea, a "population provider" XD

It's not too unique, this was THE strategy in Civilization: Revolution.

StK

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StK

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 8:30:51 AM

I searched around but I couldn't find a thread for it, so I'm starting a new one.

It may not sound like a big problem but imho it's huge.

The starting Position has a huge impact on the rest of your game so this should be balanced and maybe tied to the difficulty somehow. (Like having some sort of points available for your starting location and every planet, every resource, every nearby star system deducts a certain number of those points but with a minimum number of planets in the starting system according to difficulty and galaxy setting).

It's just frustrating to start a game where there is only 1 planet besides my homeworld in my starting system that I can't even colonize in a decent number of turns because its an asteroid belt or a gas giant or sth. and my colony ships needs about 2 and a half turns to reach the nearest system.

Randeng

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Randeng

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 4:10:09 PM

Good idea, a "population provider" XD

ArrowLance

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ArrowLance

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 4:03:17 PM

Randeng wrote:
Yes but i don't use my first star system, so I can build a lot of colonization ships to transfer people from my first star system to other, in this way, I can use people who are useless in my first soolar system.

And colonizating from another star system planet isn't very good, you lose one people instead of adding new ones with colonization ships. It allows you to evolve faster.

Most certainly having a specialized growth center can be profitable.

Randeng

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Randeng

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 3:41:25 PM

Yes but i don't use my first star system, so I can build a lot of colonization ships to transfer people from my first star system to other, in this way, I can use people who are useless in my first soolar system.

And colonizating from another star system planet isn't very good, you lose one people instead of adding new ones with colonization ships. It allows you to evolve faster.

MODNosferatiel

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MODNosferatiel

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 3:30:20 PM

Randeng wrote:
The best you can do with that it's to search for another star system and send your colonization ship. And then, youstart from this new star system.

In my party, I'm not using my first star system, but I have two others amazing star systems which haveat least 1000 industry production^^

That's why your first star system isn't very important, the most important it's extending your empire quickly.

Actually I hardly EVER build a colony ship for colonizing a planet in a star system that's already taken over. I do this exclusively in the system screen.

Randeng

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Randeng

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 1:52:19 PM

The best you can do with that it's to search for another star system and send your colonization ship. And then, youstart from this new star system.

In my party, I'm not using my first star system, but I have two others amazing star systems which haveat least 1000 industry production^^

That's why your first star system isn't very important, the most important it's extending your empire quickly.

SanderJK

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SanderJK

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 1:49:40 PM

Yeah I posted this elsewhere, but I would be very happy if the following two options made it into the game:

*Generate a galaxy with n (and/or 2n) constellations, where n is the number of civilisations, and force each civ into a different constellation

*Balanced start system: Overwrite the system where you start with the same system for everyone.

ArrowLance

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ArrowLance

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 1:38:11 PM

I am always disappointed when my starting system has a grand total of one planet.

BlueTemplar

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BlueTemplar

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 1:24:32 PM

I think the exact quote is this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt6iTwVIiMM

Igncom1

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Igncom1

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13 years ago

May 8, 2012, 9:18:46 AM

When life gives you lemons, Burn lifes house down! with the lemons!

StK

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