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Dev team: some clarification on DLC please?

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DEVSpaceTroll

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DEVSpaceTroll

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13 years ago

May 11, 2012, 6:27:04 PM

To come back on topic, basically there are things that I know will not be in for official release, why? probably because we had to remove it from the game at some stage because we were not satisfied with the way it was working, or most probably because we did not have the budget for it. So that is why we mention on our tracking list these elements not to get your hopes up for the coming weeks / months. We are a small team and there is only so much we can do.

As you can see from my comments, there was nothing specific for post release, we have NO IDEA what form will our additional content take after release.... and honestly it is not our focus right now. But if it is in that list, all it means is that we want to do it, one day for sure, and when we'll do it we will do it right, or at least and hopefully with your support, we will do everything we can so it is as it should be.

There is so much we want to do and improve for release that already it will be hard for the team to find anytime to sleep .... and there is still very good feedback coming from the community, so we need to prioritize.

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Durandal4532

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13 years ago

May 11, 2012, 6:20:52 PM

I'm happy to pay for DLC, actually. It was a $26 game, so I'll pay small change for small changes if that business model works for them.

Something like, say, Arkham City doesn't do much for me with the $6 costume packs or whatnot. But if there's a $10 expansion a year from release, or a $5 expansion six months from release then yeah sure. As long as they add substantially to the feature set, I feel like it would be worthwhile for this sort of infinitely replayable game.

I mean I too don't want to be nickle and dimed, but I've managed to avoid that so far simply by not purchasing shitty DLC.

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Misiok

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Misiok

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 4:22:12 PM

Larsenex wrote:
4x, why are you so worried about what has or has not been stated? WHO cares if they do or do not put in paid DLC. The sky is falling, we have all been brainwashed into thinking its OK to pay for things that we feel should be included for free! So what?

So if the Devs come out and say, YES WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ESPIONAGE as a DLC would you uninstall?

I'm reading this thread and I feel as if my brain is slowly rotting away.

No Larsenex, I don't think he would uninstall, he would most probably, if disappointed by their answer, just stop buying their next games.

And to elaborate - everyone should care about DLC's. They are called, for good reason, the cancer of gaming. Knowing beforehand is game has DLC plans is not tells you a few things:

- whether the devs have the time or not to implement features

- if it's day 1 DLC announced way before the game is released that basically tells the gamer in the face that your features are being cut away for easy money grab

- if one is not a fan of DLC it helps him with the decision of buying the game, for instance, I abhorr the idea of DLC in any paid form (mostly because no DLC I know of has been made well) and by knowing that I will be missing out on future content of a game I enjoy deeply I feel cheated and insulted.

And please stop using the word 'entitled'. Yes, everyone is entitled to the product and its features because they paid for the game, especially when it's in alpha/beta, in goodwill.

Honestly, this forum is over saturated with fanboys and you just can't have proper criticism here.

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13 years ago

May 26, 2012, 12:05:36 PM

As SpaceTroll stated, the team is focused on other elements right now and the form in which any additional content will be released is yet to be decided. Alpha, Beta, Final game are currently at the top of the priority list. If there are any news regarding additional content they will be announced, as of now though there is nothing more to say on this topic. Thread closed/

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Igncom1

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 11:08:06 PM

You win this round!

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Voronwer

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 11:07:09 PM

Igncom1 wrote:
Tell me good sir how thy obtained this game!

smiley: stickouttongue

That's good lady to you.

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 11:01:38 PM

Woodface wrote:
This is why I've never bought DLC before and don't really plan on starting now.

Tell me good sir how thy obtained this game!

smiley: stickouttongue

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Voronwer

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 10:52:25 PM

In general, I'm just against DLC on the whole. Most DLC I've seen (and I admit this is mainly from EA so my impression might be skewed) is overpriced and never worth its money. I've never seen DLC be cheaper as someone suggested early as the DLC added together is usually more expensive than buying a GOTY edition later. This is why I've never bought DLC before and don't really plan on starting now. I am open for expansions, though, as they're usually a lot more interesting than a DLC.

I can see it being different in case of small, indie developers who simply need the money to produce all the features they want to bring to the game, though. I recently invested in a Kickstarter project where they indicated that if they did not raise enough money, they'd release their stretch goals at a later point as add-on or DLC. This doesn't leave me as opposed to the concept because I can understand the need for it and it's exactly why I invested enough in the game to get access to the extra DLC (so I guess maybe I did buy DLC after all).

I wouldn't have minded that sort of transparency up front here as well as the vague answer (however understandable that it is), does make me wonder a little about what product I actually did buy in the end. But yes, it is early days and we're in alpha and it doesn't pay to make predictions so I'll see. The game is enjoyable at this point and looks promising, making me look forward to see where it's headed next so time will tell. /overthinking

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 6:56:54 PM

Igncom1 wrote:
Don't be rude.

I wasn't trying to be rude, I was trying to be sarcastic. Take a look through 4x's posts. He's been attacking people that reply to his posts in thoughtful ways while criticizing the Devs about their "possible" business model (as in, if they aren't going to do things the way he likes, he's going to drop this game and go do something else. Thus the whole "TEMPER TANTRUM" as his quote). At the same time, he's being very forceful about wanting to know whether or not DLC will be free or paid for. While this is a very good question, and one that does deserve answering, he's going about the process in the wrong way.

There have been a handful of occasions where the devs have hinted at releasing DLC, as 4x has shown in the OP. However, there have been even more instances where they state that they simply do not know at this point in time. They are currently working on an ALPHA and get it to the point where they can release it as an official game. DLC is probably the furthest thing from their mind right now, because they are still trying to finish the game.

Again, they are still trying to finish the game.

Anyway, I don't want to get in a full blown argument, so I'm going to step out of this thread...

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 6:17:48 PM

josasa wrote:
All hail the martyr of the video game industry... Where would we be without people like you, 4x_Fan?

Don't be rude.

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 6:16:23 PM

4x_Fan wrote:
TEMPER TANTRUM

All hail the martyr of the video game industry... Where would we be without people like you, 4x_Fan?

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 4:37:52 PM

maceman wrote:
I still yearn for a remake of the potential that was Emperor of the Fading Suns... i would PAY for that. no free DLC needed :P

I always liked that setting. The 4x game had all sorts of issues but I still played the hell out of it. Sounds like it would be a good candidate for a big mod project, new races, new diplomacy, new ship models, new techs, planetary battles/buildings would probably be out, I wonder if the modding would allow way to handle the stations: imperial fleet, imperial eye, etc..., maybe turn the pirates into symbiots and do some kind of world conversion process?

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Francech

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Francech

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 4:30:33 PM

I think what the 4x_fan tries to say is that there has been a shift in expectations and game design in the last 15-20 years.

I grew up with the expectation that a game had to be so polished that it would work even without internet or patches. At that time nobody would have taken seriously someone that would ask to be paid for chunks of a game.

Now that age is gone. Forever. I feel some sympathy for him as i understand his thinking. But we have to accept the fact that things are changed for good. There has been a impoverishment of the entertaining industry at many levels and branches. If you take the movie industry they have 0 ideas and try only to make remakes of remakes or sequels and prequels of remakes. It has gone so bad that you can have remakes even after under 5 years like the girl with the dragon tattoo.

I believe that at some point we are reaching a type of market that is service based. When you pay for certain services and it will be normal.

For what i can see Amplitude has a pretty fair behavior, they told everyone it's a alpha, and they are working to improve it. They are a small company that needs to get started somewhere, and about the DLC question i think they will surly at some point put some of them.

For me the question will be more like this: Will they be reasonable with it, or will they try to squeeze every single euro the customer have? A good point for this is like asking money for a new civilization in civ games. A good example for good dlc is Shogun Fall of the samurai where you got a bunch of new units, mechanics and stuff to do, where you can say it's a new game altogether.

My 2 cents about this matter

and thanks for reading.

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13 years ago

May 11, 2012, 6:19:18 PM

maceman wrote:

PS You have clearly not lived in a Communist country not called North Korea. Times they is a changin'

I'm not sure what you mean. I'm very familiar with the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea. I've met with and had various relations with people who lived in the Soviet union. I'm still not sure what you mean.

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Igncom1

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 3:30:40 PM

DLC can have alot of variance.

While im not the type of guy to pay like £5 for a new civ and such, i am the kind of guy to pay £20 for like a bunch of new game mechanics, a new civ and continued dev support of their product.

and i have nothing against the £5 guys why want to add a cool new civ to the game, the devs can do what they want with what they sell.

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Larsenex

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 3:20:04 PM

4x, why are you so worried about what has or has not been stated? WHO cares if they do or do not put in paid DLC. The sky is falling, we have all been brainwashed into thinking its OK to pay for things that we feel should be included for free! So what?

So if the Devs come out and say, YES WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ESPIONAGE as a DLC would you uninstall?

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4x_Fan

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 2:47:17 PM

Larsenex wrote:
If you DO NOT LIKE the way they are doing it/selling/distributing, you do not have to pay. Simple!

Newsflash to Mr. "Oops I didn't read the thread":

Title: Dev team: some clarification on DLC please?

Translation: "I'd like an answer to this question so that I can make an informed choice".

Further translation: We do not currently know DLC plans etc, and nor do the dev team. I resurrected this thread because a Forum Mod used the term "expansion/DLC" thoughtlessly, and since I'd been away for a week assumed that DLC had been announced. Also, if you had read the damn thread, you'd know that I've already paid my money, and am, in fact, an "Emperor". This suggests, somewhat, that I was happy to support an indy 4x effort.

The day I pre-purchase / buy into an alpha build sold by crooks such as Activision or EA is the day hell freezes over. They get to pay me for that privilege. The reasons for that are largely related to behaviour like this which is fairly common in the industry. To the kids out there: it's a fairly bad industry, and there's been a lot of casualties of war in the last few years, whilst the goons in suits ruin the industry.

/learn to read

Virus wrote:
I also would pay for a package of 2-5 races. Or 5 new ship designs.

A package witch gives more diplomatic abilities. Or even for starbases.

Then EA & 2K have won: the age of diminished expectation is upon us.

Hint: modding tools.

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MODNosferatiel

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 2:32:58 PM

WindnCloud wrote:
There's a DLC announced? What?

No, there is no DLC announced, so far. There isn't any DLC planned for now and the devs stated that they do not know what will happen after release.

This thread is merely the lengthy discussions about the pros and cons of DLCs and a lot of arguing about what has to be included in a 4x game for it to be considered a 4x game.

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StK

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StK

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 2:32:13 PM

No the devs said they don't know yet.. but when I take a look around on steam (or everywhere in the gameing industry for that matter) there are so any negative examples on how companies treat their customers I think its a good thing to voice ones opinion about it and show a new company a (in my opinion) positive example

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WindnCloud

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WindnCloud

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13 years ago

May 25, 2012, 2:29:52 PM

There's a DLC announced? What?

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