VieuxChat wrote:
Remember that you have to research the available deals (on the left part of the tech tree)

ah god dammit i feel like such a noob XD

ComradePaddock wrote:
ah god dammit i feel like such a noob XD

Don't feel ashamed The first I launched ES I didn't find how to change the faction I wanted to play -___-

Thanks for the dev post about what they are working on for diplomacy. Good to know they are working things out. In general I like the way they actually have AI relations set up. As you differ in score they will adjust how they feel, nice mechanic. The only thing that is completely lacking is the fact that I wiped out an allied race (humans) who were allied to the Sophons. I was also allied to the Sophons, and yet, our relationship wasn't hurt a single point besides the fact of my rapid 'expansion'



But otherwise what they have is a solid framework, granted they said they are 20% though 'tuning' XD

Interesting. just interesting.

Tarus wrote:
Think about it and rebalance it, thanks

Please be less of a dick with your statements.



That said, I somewhat agree. The system certainly could stand to look at military success a bit, at least. I was wiping out two empires at the same time when both of my allies when hostile on me 'for showing weakness'. Admittedly, it was easy enough to kill them both aswell, but it shouldn't be -80 points when you are capable of engaging in a multi-front war against every other faction in the game.

We just be getting started here. If such issues still exist in beta, THEN they will actually be issues.

Never heard of gunboat diplomacy?

Cut the crap people, and stop the hugely irritating "fanboy" reflexive action ~ OP may be less than eloquent, but s/he's correct.





Diplomacy is currently totally broken and everyone knows it.



Op is correct: trade lanes, dust gifts, technology gifts do very little to help relations. In fact, the AI totally ignores any of these in its sudden switches from "I love you" to "OMG YOU LIKE COLONISED A SYSTEM THAT WAS SOMEWHAT NEAR MY FURTHEST BORDER!!! I HATE U!!!!1101!! within a single two turn phase are well documented. The code is currently at the emotional sophistication level of a 13 yr old.





That quote about the AI "not knowing more than a player" is frakking hilarious given that a large part of diplomacy / relations is currently based on your military strength. From Empires you've never met, let alone scouted your systems. Oh, wait ~ "We're going to war since your military is too strong / expansionist"... "%DiplomacyFailedResponseAction military strength too small". It's always nice when the XML tags get shown. :rolleyes:





As stated: cut the crap. Diplomacy is currently borked, and we're looking to the next few patches. You know, after they try and get the AI to stop abusing free dust...

4x_Fan wrote:
Cut the crap people, and stop the hugely irritating "fanboy" reflexive action ~ OP may be less than eloquent, but s/he's correct.





Diplomacy is currently totally broken and everyone knows it.



Op is correct: trade lanes, dust gifts, technology gifts do very little to help relations. In fact, the AI totally ignores any of these in it's sudden switches from "I love you" to "OMG YOU LIKE COLONISED A SYSTEM THAT WAS SOMEWHAT NEAR MY FURTHEST BORDER!!! I HATE U!!!!1101!! within a single two turn phase are well documented. The code is currently at the emotional sophistication level of a 13 yr old.





That quote about the AI "not knowing more than a player" is frakking hilarious given that a large part of diplomacy / relations is currently based on your military strength. From Empires you've never met, let alone scouted your systems. Oh, wait ~ "We're going to war since your military is too strong / expansionist"... "%DiplomacyFailedResponseAction military strength too small". It's always nice when the XML tags get shown. :rolleyes:





As stated: cut the crap. Diplomacy is currently borked, and we're looking to the next few patches. You know, after they try and get the AI to stop abusing free dust...

We know dude, no need to shout.

Igncom1 wrote:
We know dude, no need to shout.

And yet the three posts above mine didn't state this, and insulted / ignored / mocked the OPs post.





A new poster. Person who paid for the alpha. From the small selective evidence, not a native English speaker either, meaning potentially wider growth of sales / market penetration for the game.



Who you trolled.







Smart people here :rolleyes:







Thought experiment: if a single one of these posters had calmly stated: "Yep, def. an issue atm, they're looking into it, here's a post [linktobugforum], any other questions?" then my response would never have occurred. Instead, three of you were frakking giant molar pinal glands about it.



Obligatory Gif ~ although given some here still think the Chuck Norris meme is current, this is going to blow their minds

While i cant speak for the other people here, it may be becuse of the amount of times its been brought up as a registerd issue.

Igncom1 wrote:
While i cant speak for the other people here, it may be becuse of the amount of times its been brought up as a registerd issue.

Posts: 3

Join date: May





You're a wizard, Harry!







@OP.





Yes, Diplomacy is currently not working as intended. We're hoping it's patched soon. Welcome, and ignore the 'friendly' natives

First person agreed, second was being... odd, third was trying to be clever.



Anyway, I completely agree. Diplomacy right now is entirely useless. Having to research as much as you do for peace, trade, and more trade is rather limiting on the interaction side without a decent investment into the points that could be better spent elsewhere, tying other races reactions to you to military strength (why make peace when you can destroy?), and the almost utter lack of the need to trade for anything. I don't need anything from them usually (not that they have offered) and trying to give them things never changes.

4x_Fan wrote:
And yet the three posts above mine didn't state this, and insulted / ignored / mocked the OPs post.





A new poster. Person who paid for the alpha. From the small selective evidence, not a native English speaker either, meaning potentially wider growth of sales / market penetration for the game.



Who you trolled.







Smart people here :rolleyes:

And yet you do the same to me?

Igncom1 wrote:
And yet you do the same to me?

With 394 posts, you're a big girl/boy/T now, and we presume / hope you've clocked up enough play hours to know the mechanics well.



Btw ~ I bothered to start prying apart code recently just to see if I could fix some of the issues not being dealt with atm. My findings were... interesting.







Waiting on the next patch. Suffice to say, if it doesn't: a) fix dupes b) fix AI dust / growth exploits / builds, c) address diplomacy and d) actually, you know, add some shit then I'll be walking away. The complexity of the mechanics under the nice graphics ain't so amazing.





Facebook: classic pump n dump. We're not amused.







p.s. And yes, I'm well able to bio every Amplitude member and then bother to see whose funding this. The Steam deal made me a little... nose twitchy about who was an Angel / VC here.

Hey Com. and Devs,



i see here a big problem with the diplomatic system. A Big part of how succesfull you can do diplomatic agreements is based on your empires CP Points....

But one Question about this.... IF i have so many CP Points .... why i should do Diplomatics at all and let my ships just eat tons of dust???? If i have CP Power i atack and get new stars and dont make peace ^^



And from Dust pay or Traiding i get realy nothing ^^





Think about it and rebalance it, thanks

4x_Fan wrote:
With 394 posts, you're a big girl/boy/T now, and we presume / hope you've clocked up enough play hours to know the mechanics well.



Btw ~ I bothered to start prying apart code recently just to see if I could fix some of the issues not being dealt with atm. My findings were... interesting.







Waiting on the next patch. Suffice to say, if it doesn't: a) fix dupes b) fix AI dust / growth exploits / builds, c) address diplomacy and d) actually, you know, add some shit then I'll be walking away. The complexity of the mechanics under the nice graphics ain't so amazing.





Facebook: classic pump n dump. We're not amused.







p.s. And yes, I'm well able to bio every Amplitude member and then bother to see whose funding this. The Steam deal made me a little... nose twitchy about who was an Angel / VC here.

I'm certain all of us will very sad to see you go. I'm certain the answer is, of course, the right one, as walking away from an alpha you have already paid for is the only clear and cut answer. I mean, if the alpha is simply unplayable, I can not imagine how the release version will be. Bad business, if you ask me. Bad business indeed.

SomethingBlue wrote:
I'm certain all of us will very sad to see you go. I'm certain the answer is, of course, the right one, as walking away from an alpha you have already paid for is the only clear and cut answer. I mean, if the alpha is simply unplayable, I can not imagine how the release version will be. Bad business, if you ask me. Bad business indeed.

Kid, you've no idea what you're talking about.



Here's a pitch: get an exclusive alpha indy release deal with the major online distributor at the moment, then release to mediocre reviews and a general vibe that "not much got changed in the three months of alpha, barring already planned / costed artwork" and you'll see some rather unhappy faces. Especially since someone is funding this, and you got punters to pre-pay.





Pre-paying being the golden goose of kickstarter / Indy coding at this moment: screw that up for Valve, and I can only imagine the blowback.





Currently the game lacks multiple features of even a semi-serious 4x game, and has holes / dupes the size of a planet to drive through. This isn't a Zynga / OS release, either.





We'll see. But we're only 2 months from launch, and I've not seen much crunch in 3 weeks, barring announcing already designed / planned content. Frakk the artwork, someone start working on mechanics, and coding some AI algos, because it needs it.





And you know, publishing major fixes, like most alphas do.





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Correction: people spent silly amounts of time faffing around with "G2G interactive social media experiments" and not frakking coding. That always looks good to VCs when looking over their investments. Add to that that on their forums, they allowed non-team Mods to make statements about future releases & had no grasp on the whole dynamic of potential allies becoming irked by the lack of general feedback etc.

Alpha is alpha.



Deal with it.

4x_Fan wrote:
Kid, you've no idea what you're talking about.



Here's a pitch: get an exclusive alpha indy release deal with the major online distributor at the moment, then release to mediocre reviews and a general vibe that "not much got changed in the three months of alpha, barring already planned / costed artwork" and you'll see some rather unhappy faces. Especially since someone is funding this.



Currently the game lacks multiple features of even a semi-serious 4x game, and has holes / dupes the size of a planet to drive through. This isn't a Zynga / OS release, either.





We'll see. But we're only 2 months from launch, and I've not seen much crunch in 3 weeks, barring announcing already designed / planned content. Frakk the artwork, someone start working on mechanics, and coding some AI algos, because it needs it.





And you know, publishing major fixes, like most alphas do.

First off, don't call me Kid. I have done nothing to act like a child while you continue to do so. Second, nobody forced you to buy the game. You took a (oh my lord!!!) $25 chance just like everyone else here. You win some, you lose some. Apparently, you have lost in the past which makes you jaded. Get over it. Leave or stop being a troll.