Not to be party pooper, but it's just score victory described in fancy terms, it's been in every 4x ever including civ and all Endless games. People usually turn it off because it's boring having the game end on a time-limit with someone being declared a winner without any sort of gameplay-related climax. 

You can also turn off every victory condition except it, if you're into that.

And I'm glad I won't be tempted to 'collect capitals' just in case I decide to go for a 'domination victory'.    That's one victory condition I won't miss.   It turns the game from a 'I'm managing a big civilization' to 'I'm playing risk'.   

Is there a fame target to reach to win or is it totalled up at the end?

The closest thing that this victory system reminds me are some board games system, when you count at the end of the game how many points each player has earned depending of their deeds (with a lot of possibilities to earn points ofc). For instance Seven Wonders, and Kanagawa that i am playing a lot those days. Im pretty sure there are a lot ofothers and im missing classics. Anyway, in those games this simple system works extremly well because it offers a lot of different path to win, but most importantly a lot of flexibility during the game. Depending on how the game is going, a lot of opportunities and timings are naturally offered to change, combine, or empower strategies, and also try to fuck up ennemy strategies.

SuperMarloWorld wrote:

The closest thing that this victory system reminds me are some board games system, when you count at the end of the game how many points each player has earned depending of their deeds (with a lot of possibilities to earn points ofc). For instance Seven Wonders, and Kanagawa that i am playing a lot those days. Im pretty sure there are a lot ofothers and im missing classics. Anyway, in those games this simple system works extremly well because it offers a lot of different path to win, but most importantly a lot of flexibility during the game. Depending on how the game is going, a lot of opportunities and timings are naturally offered to change, combine, or empower strategies, and also try to fuck up ennemy strategies.

Another board game example is Eclipse (no, it has nothing to do with vampires): There you also have different ways to score victory points. One way is fighting, after each fight you can draw victory tokens depending on how many enemy ships you defeated and keep the one with the highest value. That way fighting early on is encouraged.

I bring up this example because you can loose most of your fleet and territory but the victory points earned through fighting are safe and will allways count. Seems like the Fame works the same ways. Deeds you have done will allways count, no matter how good you are doing at the moment. Which is and interesting take and will bring the genre forward.

No more late game tech rushes where I walk all over my enemies. Perhaps I can do this also in Humankind, but it is not safe to assume, that this will secure me a victory, if I didn't play well the eras before. This is a really good design decission. You will allways compete with the other nations for victory and not only at the end.

Looked at some image of Eclipse this game has such a huge board wow :D

Seems epic tho !

Its understandable for 4x games inspire from boardgames but boardgames victory goals designed to en in one session (avarige 2 hours) were in a pc game you end your game in multipla sessions.

Grinding for multiple sessions is not fun. Thats why many rules of board games adapt their ways for pc gamin

Nyarl wrote:

Not to be party pooper, but it's just score victory described in fancy terms, it's been in every 4x ever including civ and all Endless games. People usually turn it off because it's boring having the game end on a time-limit with someone being declared a winner without any sort of gameplay-related climax. 

You can also turn off every victory condition except it, if you're into that.

Dear god,

As described by the developers, regular scoring system is determined by what you have, while fame in humankind is determined by what you have made/accomplished. 

When in a game like civilization, you capture a city with a wonder, you gain a lot of score, but in HK, you get no fame out of that city and wonder by themselves, because you haven't made them. You get some fame for your military victories, but not for the buildings and cities you conquered.

Catodion wrote:

Nyarl wrote:

Not to be party pooper, but it's just score victory described in fancy terms, it's been in every 4x ever including civ and all Endless games. People usually turn it off because it's boring having the game end on a time-limit with someone being declared a winner without any sort of gameplay-related climax. 

You can also turn off every victory condition except it, if you're into that.

Dear god,

As described by the developers, regular scoring system is determined by what you have, while fame in humankind is determined by what you have made/accomplished. 

When in a game like civilization, you capture a city with a wonder, you gain a lot of score, but in HK, you get no fame out of that city and wonder by themselves, because you haven't made them. You get some fame for your military victories, but not for the buildings and cities you conquered.

So, it sounds even worse - since if an opponent runs away with his fame you can't even snag a victory by nuking him to death, if destroying and taking his stuff (supposedly) doesn't decrease his fame. 

Making a score victory even less interactive doesn't sound great at all. But I don't think Amplitude would make a system as bad as that, you will likely have ways of decreasing enemy fame. If victories and making cool stuff gives you fame, then losing battles and having your cities destroyed should diminish your fame too, bringing the system more or less in line with the normal score victory.

Why should you win because you just trashed someone elses stuff? If someone is running away with fame do something about that before it becomes unreachable. You could still murder them to prevent them getting any more fame and use their kingdom as a base to make your own achievements. Of course as you rightly say we don't know how it works and how close it is to a plain score victory. Late game I imagine theres some big projects you could work toward if you are behind in fame like landing on the moon, discovering penicillin, etc.  

I actually worry more about winning the early game and sitting on my laurels pressing end turn.

how are you guys getting these detailed information about how fame works?

ruzen wrote:

how are you guys getting these detailed information about how fame works?

It was mentioned from dev stream https://www.twitch.tv/videos/469860777

stl0369 wrote:

I actually worry more about winning the early game and sitting on my laurels pressing end turn.

This is true although I think alot of this comes from players needing to have perfect starts, reloading until they like their starting area or they get beaten to a key wonder. Its understandable you probably dont want to waste hours on something that feels futile. Although my best games have come from having a shaky start I want to quit from but choosing to muddy on through.

PARAdoxiBLE wrote:

ruzen wrote:

how are you guys getting these detailed information about how fame works?

It was mentioned from dev stream https://www.twitch.tv/videos/469860777

thanks