I just created the account to say thanks for removing Denuvo. I followed the developement of this game, and initially I had no plans of buying it soon, but after reading a new aboit it, I'll surely support you. Thanks!
I suspect the Denuvo was Sega's idea since several games they publish all have Denuvo in them despite it being one of the most hated DRM programs and for good reason. Hopefully this starts a trend of them not putting Denuvo in everything anymore and removing it in older games, one can dream at least.
It's worth noting that there are some folks who will NOT buy this unless you remove the Denuvo reference on the Steam page. O just checked and it's still there. At this point, you're just self-harming every day it is there.
I like how these news outlets are acting like the only reason people oppose Denuvo is performance issues. Performance issues are only part of the problem - the other parts of the problem being eventual lockouts when the Denuvo servers close, possible problems with offline play, potential issues with modding, hassling your customers while the pirates get a better version of the game, etc, etc. But hey, at least there is a measurable number of people out there who say that they're preordering because of the anti-DRM stance that Amplitude took here. Very happy to see that happening.
I like how these news outlets are acting like the only reason people oppose Denuvo is performance issues. Performance issues are only part of the problem - the other parts of the problem being eventual lockouts when the Denuvo servers close, possible problems with offline play, potential issues with modding, hassling your customers while the pirates get a better version of the game, etc, etc. But hey, at least there is a measurable number of people out there who say that they're preordering because of the anti-DRM stance that Amplitude took here. Very happy to see that happening.
Well, in fairness to the media covering the story, performance is also the only reason that Amplitude gave for removing Denuvo. They also don't seem to care about the other problems, unfortunately.
Considering what Denuvo's current dislike is from Resident Evil Village having a severe performance hit dur to Denuvo proved to be true, right now thats the big news article. The other stupid mess the DRM system gives isnt as important right now to users/players and media.
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Just wanted to add my 2-cents as well, and say: Thank you, Amplitude!
Due to the removal of Denuvo, I have pre-ordered Humankind, which was the only game I really wanted to play this summer, and one I was going to hard-pass on account of the DRM.
One thing bummers me though. They removed Denuvo but didn't drop the prices:
It's expensive everywhere, and it will stimulate piracy since protection is gone now.
I do not find that surprising. The presence/absence of Denuvo doesn't seem to directly affect the price of any game.
Now if you're commenting on the price of the game in general being higher than Amplitude's other games, then that topic is completely unrelated to Denuvo. Amplitude is entitled to sell the game for however much they want. The notion that cheap games don't get pirated is not true. For example, Sonic Mania and Yesterday Origins are cheaper Denuvo titles, and both were cracked very soon after release. So if Humankind was cheaper, it would still be cracked and pirated. History has shown us that piracy is something will almost always happen, and there's nothing that any game or DRM developer can do to stop it. So the dev's focus should always be on providing a great experience for their paying customers and not on combating non-customer pirates.
SpikedWallMan wrote: The notion that cheap games don't get pirated is not true.
Don't deal in absolutes, notion is that expensive games are more prone to be pirated. It can be cracked day one, it can be cracked in 180 days, but a person that wants to play now will be more inclined to pirate then wait who knows how long for 30-50% discount to reach price he can afford or seems acceptable to him.
You made the assertion that lowering the price will reduce piracy, and I simply provided counterexamples which show that dropping the price of this game even to 1/2 or 1/3 of its current price won't be enough to make it less interesting to pirates.
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notion is that expensive games are more prone to be pirated.
Expensive games very often get more advertising because they usually have lots of money backing them. So of course they will be bigger targets due to their visibility/reputation/etc, and I don't see where it's solely the price that is driving piracy in this case.
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It can be cracked day one, it can be cracked in 180 days, but a person that wants to play now will be more inclined to pirate then wait who knows how long for 30-50% discount to reach price he can afford or seems acceptable to him.
Anyone who wants to play/pirate now but doesn't want to pay is a non-customer.
Regardless, if there is a discussion to be had about the price of Humankind, I believe that discussion would be better if it was moved to a new topic instead of hijacking this one. (IIRC, there is already a topic discussing the price somewhere.) Otherwise, it looks like the Denuvo issue is dead and buried (with Amplitude making a pro-customer choice here), and I vote that this topic be closed so it doesn't keep cluttering the G2G activity feed.
SpikedWallMan wrote: I simply provided counterexamples which show that dropping the price of this game even to 1/2 or 1/3 of its current price won't be enough to make it less interesting to pirates.
You didn't, you've stated it will still be pirated, which is obvious, but you didn't argue anything about interest rate. Yeah, it'll still be there. But will it change? I assert it will.
SpikedWallMan wrote: I don't see where it's solely the price that is driving piracy in this case
Not solely, of course, but a major factor nonetheless.
SpikedWallMan wrote: Anyone who wants to play/pirate now but doesn't want to pay is a non-customer.
Now that's just silly, would you pay $600 for the game, or would you not want to play it solely because of the unreasonably high price?
SpikedWallMan wrote: instead of hijacking this one.
I believe this to be related and valid issue, hijacking isn't at place.
SpikedWallMan wrote: so it doesn't keep cluttering the G2G activity feed
Unsubscribe from the thread, if it bothers you that much.
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