DevildogFF wrote:
I'm still calling shenanigans on this whole thing, but I am sorry for being so upset earlier. I do think that this was done very poorly, however.

I got just the right advice for you!

ResonanceMask wrote:
I figured out that I'd probably vote Mesaima since I like parasites and have always wanted to play as faction that infests other factions' units, but the Nereid idea has really grown on me.

Yay! Thanks! If we ever meet irl, remind me to bake you a cookie!

Ottopoika wrote:
When bubonic plaque was a thing in mid 14th-century Europe, people understood that filth and unsanitary conditions were related to bubonic plaque, London for example. They however thought that evil spirits lived in that filth, making people sick. Bubonic plaque was seen as Devil's doings. They had no idea that it was caused by fleas who lived in rats, which were both living beings. People would realize the same way that Mesaima is evil and can kill you, but I doubt they would realize what causes it

ResonanceMask wrote:
Huh. Cool point. I think Mesaima could work in fantasy if they are build up as "spirits" that possess people while their true nature are parasites...



Kinda like how haunts are build up as ghosts while they are tooootally just crazy virtual endless Yeah, I'm not ever going to let go of that theory.

I'm not gonna lie, I love the idea of every other faction thinking that Mesaima are just evil spirits, even though they're actually "just" parasites

PANCZASU wrote:
I'm not gonna lie, I love the idea of every other faction thinking that Mesaima are just evil spirits, even though they're actually "just" parasites

Damn, I just accidentally gave you a good idea lol, but it's okay.

Wow, I'm still in the top 10! That is absolutely amazing!



Is this a bad place to discuss ones contributions? I'd really like to know what people think about my proposal The Elders (#48). Are the gameplay mechanics I have sketched out as solid as I think they are? I feel like my writing is good, but is there anything lacking or obviously dumb about the background and description of The Elders in my submission?

EisenKreutzer wrote:
Wow, I'm still in the top 10! That is absolutely amazing!



Is this a bad place to discuss ones contributions? I'd really like to know what people think about my proposal The Elders (#48). Are the gameplay mechanics I have sketched out as solid as I think they are? I feel like my writing is good, but is there anything lacking or obviously dumb about the background and description of The Elders in my submission?

I do believe that it's a better place than any other, right now.



I'm always in for Lovecraftian horrors, but the fusion between H.P. Lovecraft and the EL/DotE/ES-universe has some cracking points. Since Endless remains are more or less whatever the Virtuals and Concrete managed to not destroy in their quest of mutual annihilation, there's no "forbidden lore" or "ancient scripture" in the Endless lore to date. We do not even know how the Endless actually preserved data or texts, maybe by infusing dust with the knowledge and the dust directly binding to brain synapses of the "reader".

Furthermore, if they have been imprisoned, why are they awakened?

How did they survive out of maybe cryostasis (and who would have imprisoned them that conveniently?) without sustenance of any kind?

Why did they forget all their knowledge that let them invade from the stars, in the first place?

Or is it the same as with the cultists: They know high-tech, but they don't know low-tech?



I like the elaboration of the lore and the basic enslavement gameplay, but overall I'm left with more questions than I'm provided with answers.

To all the Legion Nummer 76 voters thank you so far.



Keep on voting the Legion but make sure u also vote for PANCZASU Mesaima despite being somewhere in the upper middle of the list. (Nummer 25)

Nosferatiel wrote:
I do believe that it's a better place than any other, right now.



I'm always in for Lovecraftian horrors, but the fusion between H.P. Lovecraft and the EL/DotE/ES-universe has some cracking points. Since Endless remains are more or less whatever the Virtuals and Concrete managed to not destroy in their quest of mutual annihilation, there's no "forbidden lore" or "ancient scripture" in the Endless lore to date. We do not even know how the Endless actually preserved data or texts, maybe by infusing dust with the knowledge and the dust directly binding to brain synapses of the "reader".

Furthermore, if they have been imprisoned, why are they awakened?

How did they survive out of maybe cryostasis (and who would have imprisoned them that conveniently?) without sustenance of any kind?

Why did they forget all their knowledge that let them invade from the stars, in the first place?

Or is it the same as with the cultists: They know high-tech, but they don't know low-tech?



I like the elaboration of the lore and the basic enslavement gameplay, but overall I'm left with more questions than I'm provided with answers.

The Elders are a powerfully psionic race, and are very resilient. They can hibernate for indefinite periods of time without sustenance. This is a bit contrived, but it fits with the whole "that is kot dead which can eternal lie" thing, and is meant to evoke Cthulhu slumbering beneath the ocean.



As for their imprisonment, they were attacked by the Endless with a weapon that blocked their psionic abilities and suspended them in stasis. Maybe the Endless were feeling particularly mercifull that day, or maybe the Elders are just a pain in the behind to kill when they are at their full power. Divine Emperor Pw'll'eth decrees the latter.



As for Lovecraftian horror fitting in to the Endless universe, I think theres a place for it. It does not have to be the Mythos proper, but certain elements, especially those of forbidden knowledge and ancient, evil mysteries fit quite nicely IMO.



I'm very new to game design and stuff, so I'm particularly interested in any comments on my gameplay sketch. I just had this idea about enslavement and devouring villages, and ran with it. Most of it was a sort of inspired spur of the moment thing. Do you thnk the mechanics as I have sketched them out could actually work?

EisenKreutzer wrote:
I'm very new to game design and stuff, so I'm particularly interested in any comments on my gameplay sketch. I just had this idea about enslavement and devouring villages, and ran with it. Most of it was a sort of inspired spur of the moment thing. Do you thnk the mechanics as I have sketched them out could actually work?

The numbers are a bit too powerful (+20 science, permanently/village, if someone enslaves every village, would outdo everyone and anyone), but that mechanic should work out, if tweaked to more reasonable proportions.



I always like it, when people specify vulnerabilities for their faction. Your faction can, ironically, become a victim of their own success. If they built a large army, enslaved everything in the vicinity or devoured it, so they have lots of troops but nothing to fight, they would consume themselves by their upkeep. They have no "gain additional dust"-mechanic to compensate. That forces them to attack in well-measured paces or have their enemies buy lots of mercenaries.



I'd just have wished to have got a clearer idea on what kind of improvements you'd build on enslaved or devoured villages. If they had a dust-bonus, the faction gameplay design would more or less become overpowered. Same for science, as you already get lots of that. So it'd have to be either plain (and boring) food/industry/influence or s.th. more creative, like feeding stations resetting the bloodlust-counter for one unit in the region every turn.

Nosferatiel wrote:
The numbers are a bit too powerful (+20 science, permanently/village, if someone enslaves every village, would outdo everyone and anyone), but that mechanic should work out, if tweaked to more reasonable proportions.



I always like it, when people specify vulnerabilities for their faction. Your faction can, ironically, become a victim of their own success. If they built a large army, enslaved everything in the vicinity or devoured it, so they have lots of troops but nothing to fight, they would consume themselves by their upkeep. They have no "gain additional dust"-mechanic to compensate. That forces them to attack in well-measured paces or have their enemies buy lots of mercenaries.



I'd just have wished to have got a clearer idea on what kind of improvements you'd build on enslaved or devoured villages. If they had a dust-bonus, the faction gameplay design would more or less become overpowered. Same for science, as you already get lots of that. So it'd have to be either plain (and boring) food/industry/influence or s.th. more creative, like feeding stations resetting the bloodlust-counter for one unit in the region every turn.

That weakness is working as intended, yes. I'm glad you saw it.



Indeed, I should perhaps have been more specific about the special improvements the Elders would get for their Devoured or Enslaved Minor Faction villages. I never intended to give them Dust, as that would make them extremely powerful as you say. The thing is, I really hadn't thought that far ahead. I knew they needed some really cool new improvements to build on these villages, and the only idea I had was for them to recieve special units, in effect making them the only faction with more than three units. I also thought up some pretty bland Industry / + Science stuff, but I never felt satisfied with that. So I intentionally left it blank as something to work out later, should my submission win.

I think I can safely +1 Nos on everything he said about Elders, my feelings are more or less similar

One of the things that I was not a big fan of was the fact that Elders have no access to minor faction’s units. Which is kinda bad from variety standpoint. I think that, indeed, you should have went with your idea of Elders having access to more units then other factions to make up for it. But then again, this would not make up for the loss of variaty caused by removal of minor faction’s units. Maybe it would have been much cooler if you had access to all of those units as usual but with a "mind slave" trait or something, making them horribly inefficient (or even capable of rebelling) without a hero in the army they're in.

But that would probably disencourage players from making any minor units at all... hm, yeah, I leave that problem to you ^_^

Sovereign wrote:
To all the Legion Nummer 76 voters thank you so far.



Keep on voting the Legion but make sure u also vote for PANCZASU Mesaima despite being somewhere in the upper middle of the list. (Nummer 25)

Oh wow, you're awesome! Thank you!

Cybernetic Scorpions and Infesting Parasites need more votes!

ResonanceMask wrote:
star dreamers... They again have problem of not really being fantasy race. I mean, they have guns and canons while others have swords and bows...

B-b-but Dreamers also use bows and halberds , just look in the original message. In the original concept they are half-magic (floating cities, levitation, magic capable units) and half-technician (fusils, alchemy) race.

A bit more advanced faction, but without tanks, robots or cyborgs.

And about

ResonanceMask wrote:
Thats like using nukes agaisnt bows and arrows.

I've tried to make them more suitable for fantasy based game, and balanced in compare to other units (fusils - longer range (~2-5), small damage. Bows - medium range (~1-3), medium damage).

When i start imagine the fusil equpped soldier, i have this in my head:

The silence in here is eerie...



Guess everyone has put their tools down and gone to dinner

Wow 99 propositions, I have to say this is a very creative community.



It is obvious however that someone cannot possible sit down and read all 99 posts.



Many thanks to the people that voted for the Ascending, you guys are the best. I also support the Star Dreamers and the Legion for their very interesting gameplay.



Just so that I can motivate more of you to vote for the Ascending I want to speak briefly about their "branched development", a characteristic that doesn't appear anywhere else, almost.

(Sorry, I'm not being modest here but I'm rather proud of that fact :cool



The idea is that the Ascending possess a small number of units that can be given different upgrades and become very heavily specialized, as the game progresses thus making every playthrough unique and increasing the replayability of this faction.



(I know that this idea might be hard or impossible to implement as it seems that the devs are oriented on few customizable units in the same path as Endless Space.)

An example of how their unit "tree" may look like is this:

Example Unit tree[/SIZE]

And from this tree players will be able to unlock 2 or 3 units for every playthrough.



If I have piqued your curiosity feel free to check the Ascending post and by all means feel free to give me feedback.

The good thing about feedback is that there can never be bad feedback.

The Ascending: /#/endless-legend/forum/7-archives/thread/3573-faction-creation-competition

Chr wrote:
It is obvious however that someone cannot possible sit down and read all 99 posts.

The poll last various days. And some people surely read more than that in forum posts equivalent.



But yeah, many won't actually do that.

indigav wrote:
The silence in here is eerie...



Guess everyone has put their tools down and gone to dinner

Well, I don't want to advertise and there's nothing to comment on so I have no reason to post anything. There are also currently no questions related to Mesaima, so I cannot answe them either. I imagine it's the same for others ^_^

PANCZASU wrote:
Well, I don't want to advertise and there's nothing to comment on so I have no reason to post anything. There are also currently no questions related to Mesaima, so I cannot answe them either. I imagine it's the same for others ^_^

It sounds like if you are stalking this thread waiting for some prey...oO' And here I was wild walking my way against five AIs while watching some TV.

@Chr I liked your idea (mostly because I love diversity and replayability) but the problem that I, personally, had with it was that you didn't talk about gameplay at all aside from branching unit tree and starting +-20% to F/S. Moreover (and that's a much bigger issue), I didn't see anything related to minor factions in your submission at all... and that was supposed to be the theme of this competition.

Wintersong wrote:
It sounds like if you are stalking this thread waiting for some prey...oO' And here I was wild walking my way against five AIs while watching some TV.

Oh, sh**, I've been exposed!

Lynx_gnt wrote:
B-b-but Dreamers also use bows and halberds , just look in the original message. In the original concept they are half-magic (floating cities, levitation, magic capable units) and half-technician (fusils, alchemy) race.

A bit more advanced faction, but without tanks, robots or cyborgs.

And about







I've tried to make them more suitable for fantasy based game, and balanced in compare to other units (fusils - longer range (~2-5), small damage. Bows - medium range (~1-3), medium damage).

When i start imagine the fusil equpped soldier, i have this in my head:

I did actually read the original post <_< I don't know why but I'm reminded of L[censoredformakesofthefilmdidn'trealizename'smeaninginspanish]a: Castle in the sky. Which is actually totally cool.... Either way, sorry but I'd call it taste differences ^_^; All of winning ideas are highly awesome, but we all are going to eventually only vote one of them, so... Yeah.



Anyway, I've been trying to campaign my idea, but my self esteem is striking in my way and I'm too afraid to talk about my idea to new people 'cause I feel like I'm intruding and being obnoxious or something so I'm failing at raising my idea's public profile

Man, this voting is just so darn even. I'm not sure at all which 3 will go to the final round.



I would also like to thank everyone who has voted my suggestion. I appreciate it a lot