Hmm, so you guys, can you tell me what I should do?



I mean, if I could find 30 people somewhere who are interested in Endless Legend and willing to vote for me, I could get among top three. But I'm not going to find that many people. And goalpost for top three just keeps moving at rapid phase. So its just waste of energy to campaign it. And ultimately, does it really matter whether I'm doing better or worse than say idea number 40 that is right above my idea? Even if I'm doing better than other guys who are doing as badly as I am, it won't matter since only 3 can continue.



So yeah, should I quit my marketing strategy and just do something else or should I keep trying?

A thought I had on the factions already in the game:



A big part of the design of EL is being a fanstasy game, but a fantasy game that gets away from the standard cliches--elves, dwarves, etc. The devs have done this is a simple but elegant way--each of the four revealed factions is a combination of two, somewhat conflicting, cliches.



Think about it:

-the Broken Lords are the best example of this: the standard-issue feudal knights + ghostly vampires

-the Wild Walkers, goodie-two-shoes elves + savage history of animal-transforming shamans (in other words, were-people)

-the Vaulters, dwarves (underground vikings) + space colonists (marines and robots)

-the Necrophages? undead horde + insect hivemind



Now, there's no reason to assume the 3 unreleased factions were designed this same way. And there's no reason to think that our community-made faction has to be either.



But just saying: holy empire + human sacrifice cult = Solarians

dreamwalker wrote:
A thought I had on the factions already in the game:



A big part of the design of EL is being a fanstasy game, but a fantasy game that gets away from the standard cliches--elves, dwarves, etc. The devs have done this is a simple but elegant way--each of the four revealed factions is a combination of two, somewhat conflicting, cliches.



Think about it:

-the Broken Lords are the best example of this: the standard-issue feudal knights + ghostly vampires

-the Wild Walkers, goodie-two-shoes elves + savage history of animal-transforming shamans (in other words, were-people)

-the Vaulters, dwarves (underground vikings) + space colonists (marines and robots)

-the Necrophages? undead horde + insect hivemind



Now, there's no reason to assume the 3 unreleased factions were designed this same way. And there's no reason to think that our community-made faction has to be either.



But just saying: holy empire + human sacrifice cult = Solarians

Well, Roving Clans sound like Mongols + Merchants. No clue what drakkens are, dragon + ? The Ardent Mages could be anything I suppose. Replicants on other hand sound interesting, but I have no clue what they could be like.

ResonanceMask wrote:
Hmm, so you guys, can you tell me what I should do?



I mean, if I could find 30 people somewhere who are interested in Endless Legend and willing to vote for me, I could get among top three. But I'm not going to find that many people. And goalpost for top three just keeps moving at rapid phase. So its just waste of energy to campaign it. And ultimately, does it really matter whether I'm doing better or worse than say idea number 40 that is right above my idea? Even if I'm doing better than other guys who are doing as badly as I am, it won't matter since only 3 can continue.



So yeah, should I quit my marketing strategy and just do something else or should I keep trying?

I haven't added my faction to my signature. I haven't advertised it here or in any other forum. I haven't gone and asked friends to come and vote for it. I firmly believe that the winning factions should the ones that people really think that are the best. Reality is against me because not everybody will bother to read all, some will only read the keywords,... but I stand for what I believe, even if naive.



Getting my faction as a winner one because I recrutied people to vote for it, feels like cheating to me.



Do I get an award for being so naive? Please?



Back to finish reading the WHOLE list of faction proposals (again!). 10 to go and I can finally vote!!!

Wintersong wrote:
I haven't added my faction to my signature. I haven't advertised it here or in any other forum. I haven't gone and asked friends to come and vote for it. I firmly believe that the winning factions should the ones that people really think that are the best. Reality is against me because not everybody will botehr to read all, some will only read the keywords,... but I stand for what I believe, even if naive.



Getting my faction as a winner one because I recrutied people to vote for it, feels like cheating to me.



Do I get an award for being so naive? Pelase?



Back to finish reading the WHOLE list of faction proposals (again!). 10 to go and I can finally vote!!!

Wow, you are rather negative about most things posters here say .-. Most of your posts in this thread are about complaining about sore losers being sore losers, some people thinking that poll wasn't done greatly and now you are commenting on raising public awareness of the ideas is a bad thing. Also, is it really cheating if people I show my idea like it and want to vote for it on their own? Its 99 entry poll, most voters won't read through all of them so some ideas will be less noticed that others. Thats what i mean by campaigning, its raising public awareness of my idea. And as you have seen, it doesn't really work that well since most people don't really bother voting. This thread has over 1000 views and 200 voters. I haven't asked anyone to vote for me just because I asked them, I have only asked people whether they like my idea or not and give me feedback on it and told them about the poll. And it hasn't really worked so far like I said.



In other words, its different thing to have a lots of friends who would vote for you despite not being interested in the poll and asking people who are interested in the game whether they like my idea or not. What is wrong with that? Besides, even if I was jerk who would want to do former, I don't have a lots of friends because I'm socially awkward shut in

@dreamwalker



...and enlightened spirits + vengeance seeking amnesiacs = the Gras

ResonanceMask wrote:
Wow, you are rather negative about most things posters here say .-. Most of your posts in this thread are about complaining about sore losers being sore losers, some people thinking that poll wasn't done greatly and now you are commenting on raising public awareness of the ideas is a bad thing.

If other people can complain, so can I. Right? Don't tell me that you haven't been complaining.

Also, is it really cheating if people I show my idea like it and want to vote for it on their own?

I said that for me it feels like it. I'm not saying that it is. My opinion is not universal truth. (if it happens to be... my opinion is that my faction proposal should be included in the game )

Its 99 entry poll, most voters won't read through all of them so some ideas will be less noticed that others. Thats what i mean by campaigning, its raising public awareness of my idea. And as you have seen, it doesn't really work that well since most people don't really bother voting. This thread has over 1000 views and 200 voters. I haven't asked anyone to vote for me just because I asked them, I have only asked people whether they like my idea or not and give me feedback on it and told them about the poll. And it hasn't really worked so far like I said.



In other words, its different thing to have a lots of friends who would vote for you despite not being interested in the poll and asking people who are interested in the game whether they like my idea or not. What is wrong with that? Besides, even if I was jerk who would want to do former, I don't have a lots of friends because I'm socially awkward shut in

I didn't comment about that but share my attitude toward the poll, its proposals and what some do (I won't point fingers). The current system has flaws but most of them fall onto (many of) the users who won't do their part properly. I was nice, read all the 99 entries twice (more for a few) and finally broke my inner oath of votling only 3 and ended voting 5 (hint: none was a top 3). It's my opinion (which we have already stated that it's not universal truth) that my own proposal is quite better that some of the other proposals (some of which barely have nothing about the minor faction theme... or nothing at all?!?!?!) but whatever.

Yeah, but I don't complain about other posters I mostly complained about poll and my anxiety issues until I got over it. Now I'm just wondering how to proceed. Speaking of which, dang it, the one that I was rooting among the winners is now falling behind suddenly ._. At this rate I don't have any clue what to vote at g2g



You know, it doesn't really feel nice that you are basically calling most people cheaters. I don't know about you, but I consider cheating to be one of most worst things you can do to others so I'd rather not throw it lightly with smile about it being just your opinion. In my case I wouldn't have even dared to put link in signature or make a blog post if I hadn't other see others to do it first since I was afraid that it'd be too intrusive and loud. Since others people did it, I felt it was okay to do so here so I followed the leader and I don't think it actually helped much. The blog posts and links in signature are kinda like magic charms or something: They don't actually help much, but they help you feel like you are working towards your goal and actually having control over the situation despite it ultimately not being up to you.



And I'm glad we agree on that some entries didn't actually fit into rules, but that should have been devs' job to check and not ours. Or if it was our job to police ourselves, I'd like to have actually known about that <_<;

Another thing I think a lot of people here aren't considering is that, when faction customization becomes a thing, it will be better to have a race that's VERY different from other races from which to draw custom traits and the like; so uniqueness is even more important than just a matter of being interesting, it also will give us more options down the line for customization.

I'm not to sure the links are that much of a help. Most people did put links and most people have few votes. I for one, did not put a link and managed to get right now 17 votes. So I will conclude that the leaders are leading for a completely different reason than putting links in their signature.

Adventurer_Blitz wrote:
I'm not to sure the links are that much of a help. Most people did put links and most people have few votes. I for one, did not put a link and managed to get right now 17 votes. So I will conclude that the leaders are leading for a completely different reason than putting links in their signature.

Yeah, thats what I mean. Putting links in their signatures is kinda like putting your lucky socks on. It doesn't actually help especially when you don't post in threads where non competitors are posting, but it makes you feel like you are doing something for your idea The blogs are something people don't even read. Most people who visited my blogs were other competitors and that was like only 10 of them.

Well, I feared it might happen. Looks like I might not make it to G2G vote in the end (I envy #24 though, it got 19 votes in ~2 hours. Wow!) I guess I shouldn't feel like I lost just yet but I've been participating in lots of similar votes in the past and the same thing usually happens - I do well at the start only to lose later. I guess I should get used to it but it's hard :l

I wish I could at least reach G2G stage though. There aren't enough games where I can play as parasites and EL looks like it would fit them so well with minor factions being in the game. Maybe there's still a chance for Mesaima though, I guess I just have to hope against hope





I am curious however, how hard it will be to implement ocean cities in a game where no fights are meant to be had on water. Poor devs

ResonanceMask wrote:
Yeah, thats what I mean. Putting links in their signatures is kinda like putting your lucky socks on. It doesn't actually help especially when you don't post in threads where non competitors are posting, but it makes you feel like you are doing something for your idea The blogs are something people don't even read. Most people who visited my blogs were other competitors and that was like only 10 of them.

Personally, I just find those signature links convenient. When I want to put a link to my faction, all I have to do is simply copy the one I have in my signature. Efficiency FTW!

But yeah, I doubt anyone ever was convinced to vote for anyone's faction based on his signature. Those sigs do look cool though! ;P

ResonanceMask wrote:
You know, it doesn't really feel nice that you are basically calling most people cheaters. I don't know about you, but I consider cheating to be one of most worst things you can do to others so I'd rather not throw it lightly with smile about it being just your opinion.

Let me quote myself:

Getting my faction as a winner one because I recruited people to vote for it, feels like cheating to me.

That's my opinion. And you, here and in private, are reading too much into it. So I'l do us a favor and say: I'm sorry. Forget I said anything. Can you forgive me? Disclaimer: it's not compulsory to forgive me.

And I'm glad we agree on that some entries didn't actually fit into rules, but that should have been devs' job to check and not ours. Or if it was our job to police ourselves, I'd like to have actually known about that <_<;

Hmmm. If factions that don't fit the rules/theme are to win, I'm quite sure that the devs will(could?) ignore them and move on to the next in the list. So from that point of view, it doesn't matter the lack of filter. I do agree that it'd have helped a lot if they had removed guilty ones (which aren't that many). The list would still be very long though.

I just took a brake from internet for a whole day (Sadly a forced one filled with spending half a day with my dog in the vet. And other half worrying sick) to find out my Viridiplantae are doing very well ^^, It is so close yet so far so far. It still is amazing so many people liked my idea

@Wintersong

That's my opinion. And you, here and in private, are reading too much into it. So I'l do us a favor and say: I'm sorry. Forget I said anything. Can you forgive me? Disclaimer: it's not compulsory to forgive me.

There is nothing to forgive. You have made a moral stand and I appreciate that for one.



I've been treating this as a mass brainstorm, some fun, a bit of banter and hopefully a chance to make friends with others that care about this game. So far so good - As far as I know I've not made enemies

indigav wrote:
I've been treating this as a mass brainstorm, some fun, a bit of banter and hopefully a chance to make friends with others that care about this game. So far so good - As far as I know I've not made enemies

+1

I would LOVE to see my faction in EL (obviously) but even the experience itself is fun. One day we could all play together in EL. And team up against whoever the winner of G2G will be lol



Though I wasn't as lucky as you on the whole "enemies" part. I got a very nasty pm on youtube (yes, they still exist) from some random stranger who was ranting about how stupid my faction is and then not replying to my attempts at discussing why he actually hated my entry. That wasn't very nice I'm ok with people not liking my faction but I hate it when they don't want to engage in an argument afterward and at least explain their reasonings

PANCZASU wrote:
Though I wasn't as lucky as you on the whole "enemies" part. I got a very nasty pm on youtube (yes, they still exist) from some random stranger who was ranting about how stupid my faction is and then not replying to my attempts at discussing why he actually hated my entry. That wasn't very nice I'm ok with people not liking my faction but I hate it when they don't want to engage in an argument afterward and at least explain their reasnings

Yeah, the worst that can happen is if someone says "I hate it!" and provides no reasons why.

PANCZASU wrote:
+1

I would LOVE to see my faction in EL (obviously) but even the experience itself is fun. One day we could all play together in EL. And team up against whoever the winner of G2G will be lol



Though I wasn't as lucky as you on the whole "enemies" part. I got a very nasty pm on youtube (yes, they still exist) from some random stranger who was ranting about how stupid my faction is and then not replying to my attempts at discussing why he actually hated my entry. That wasn't very nice I'm ok with people not liking my faction but I hate it when they don't want to engage in an argument afterward and at least explain their reasonings

You have me on your team as a cert. No way am I going to win with the votes as stand - unless there was some huge surge for my faction. I think the winner is in for a lot of fun been poked at them - not that any of us could possibly be jealous



What a so-and-so that person is to have a rant and just sneak off like that. Sorry to hear it happened. At least you can console yourself with the good people in here. We'll start being nice to each other again too, as soon as we've finished raging that we haven't won lol



EDIT - I know I shouldn't have, but I could no longer resist. I'm in the top half of the vote. On that note without looking too closely at how far up the table my faction is (shy cough), I'll shut up - not that I have a long way to fall mind

Thank you to those that voted. You've made my day

2 VOTES!!!!!!! lol I don't care how low that number is. I'm pushing 40hrs with almost no sleep. Thank you people for your support!!!!! WERE MAKING A COME BACK!!!!

PANCZASU wrote:


Though I wasn't as lucky as you on the whole "enemies" part. I got a very nasty pm on youtube (yes, they still exist) from some random stranger who was ranting about how stupid my faction is and then not replying to my attempts at discussing why he actually hated my entry. That wasn't very nice I'm ok with people not liking my faction but I hate it when they don't want to engage in an argument afterward and at least explain their reasonings

Don't worry Pan, were still friends . Oh wait, were not, let me fix that....



But I completely understand what you mean. I hate it when people say whatever of mine is bad but never explain why or what of it is.