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Is terran the best terraforming for maximizing production?

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TkgKroo

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TkgKroo

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 3:36:14 PM

Terran is best end game Planet for Industry, Dust and Food. Why ? Let me explain it

Let compare a maximized Terran Planet with Food Planet Exploitation (PE) with Jungle Industry PE.

Terran

First is about Food

+3 from Planet.

+6 from PE.

+6 from StarSystem Improvement.

=15 total.

+10% from Fervent

+20% from Estactic

+10% from Colonial Rights.

+30% from Compact Refrigation.

+20% from Resource.

+30% from Trait.

= 15x190% = 28.5 Food.

Each Pop -2 food ==> total 26.5 raw food.

with 100% surplus, you have 53 food => 53 industry.

If you have 30% Food from Trait, you will have (15x220%-2)x2= 62 food to industry.

Now about Industry

Because you use Food PE, so your raw industry is

+2 from Planet

+5 from SI.

=7 total.

+10% from Fervent

+20% from Estactic

+10% from Colonial Rights.

+20% from Interplanetary Transport Network.

+20% from Resource.

= 7x180% = 12.6 Industry.

So, the final Industry from Terran is 53+12.6 = 65.6 industry per Pop (74.6 with 30% from trait).

Now, with the same calculation, to Jungle with industry PE, you have

9 Raw Food x 190% = 17.1 (19.8 with Trait)

-2 Consume = 15.1

x2 Suplus = 30.2 Food to Industry (35.6 with Trait).

14 Raw Industry x 180% = 25.2

Final Jungle is 30.2+25.2 = 55.4 per Pop (60.8 with Trait).

==> in final, with all the bonus, Terran provide highest Production at all (especially with Trait +30% food), it also give u + 2 Dust per Pop, so the Devs should take care about T1 Planet balance.

The only difference are about UE Affinity and Automaton Affinity. UE 60% bonus to Industry make Jungle slightly better Industry. Automaton Special Buildings make Terrans are more stronger.

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Stealth_Hawk

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Stealth_Hawk

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 3:39:00 PM

Well done sir! I did not even think about how much industry a Terran would gain from adaptive industry systems. Interesting...

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StriderV

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StriderV

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 4:06:01 PM

This could be fixed by making the conversion of food to industry 75% or some other value lower than 100%.

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Teodosio

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Teodosio

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 6:35:04 PM

StriderV wrote:
This could be fixed by making the conversion of food to industry 75% or some other value lower than 100%.

Yes indeed, that would be adviceable, else in late game jungle planets would be useless!

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Stealth_Hawk

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Stealth_Hawk

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 6:58:32 PM

Which sucks because I love jungle planets. Thats a good idea strider

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VIPInFlamesWeTrust

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 7:07:54 PM

The thing is, when I was in game I tested this out on a system of either all Jungle or all Terran planets. I switched between the two, and each time found that the Jungle planet produces more industry than the Terran with this improvement. You use the food planet improvement on all planets and you do get a better score in industry. There was only a small difference about 100 which isn't a lot really.

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Stealth_Hawk

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Stealth_Hawk

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 7:10:43 PM

Not to be a defensive/attacking/aggressive, but Adaptive Industries was installed, and the population was finished growing, yes?

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Teodosio

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Teodosio

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12 years ago

Apr 22, 2013, 9:26:29 AM

Hello all,

I have a question about how to best terraform planets.

In my current game I am using widely the AI governors: every single one of my systems has the AI governor on; most of them are focusing on science, some are focusing on manufacturing (for shipbuilding and such).

When approaching the late game, I am noticing that the AI governors are terraforming every planet to terran, regardless of the focus (science or manufacturing).

My question is: why are the governors doing that? Would it not be better to terraform to jungle in manufacturing systems (4

smiley: industry

per

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opulation:, as opposed to 2

smiley: industry

per

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opulation: on terran planets) and to terraform to ocean in science systems (4

smiley: science

vs 2

smiley: science

in terran)?

P.S. please note that I HAVE researched the technology to terraform to jungle and to ocean, I already terraformed some planets myself.

Thanks to everyone kind enough to explain!

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Stealth_Hawk

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Stealth_Hawk

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 7:41:08 PM

Just a

drain if you do.

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VIPInFlamesWeTrust

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VIPInFlamesWeTrust

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 7:45:44 PM

How is it a dust drain?

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Stealth_Hawk

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Stealth_Hawk

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 8:00:34 PM

InFlamesWeTrust wrote:
How is it a dust drain?

If I remember right, the improvement needs

to be maintained, therefore if the population is not full, then you are wasting

maintaining an improvement that is unused.

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VIPInFlamesWeTrust

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 8:09:42 PM

I'm confused, adaptive industries is the one that converts food to industry right? If so then its not a dust drain when built as it will still have an effect on increasing industry but won't allow any more population growth.

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 8:46:58 PM

InFlamesWeTrust wrote:
I'm confused, adaptive industries is the one that converts food to industry right? If so then its not a dust drain when built as it will still have an effect on increasing industry but won't allow any more population growth.

NO NO

it allows the population growth!

the surplus is converted into food!

so the improvments only starts to work when the system is full populated even if u build it before this.

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VIPInFlamesWeTrust

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VIPInFlamesWeTrust

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 9:25:59 PM

Really? huh, didn't realise that. And there was me deleting it when I hit a virus event.

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Stealth_Hawk

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Stealth_Hawk

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12 years ago

Apr 23, 2013, 9:28:05 PM

InFlamesWeTrust wrote:
Really? huh, didn't realise that. And there was me deleting it when I hit a virus event.

When I built the improvement for the first time I kept scrapping it and re-building it thinking it was a bug lol

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Ail

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Ail

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12 years ago

Apr 24, 2013, 2:16:11 PM

InFlamesWeTrust wrote:
Yes, there's no point in building that improvement if the population is not full because then you'll never get a full population.

That was fixed like 3 or 4 patches ago...

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Stealth_Hawk

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Stealth_Hawk

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12 years ago

Apr 24, 2013, 2:27:56 PM

Ail wrote:
That was fixed like 3 or 4 patches ago...

Yeah that used to be annoying lol at least it is just confusing now

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Teodosio

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Teodosio

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12 years ago

Apr 24, 2013, 4:48:01 PM

What about the system improvement "Hydrosequencing" (+1

per

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opulation: on planets and +1

per

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opulation: on terran)?

Could this improvement make terran superior to both ocean and jungle regarding science and industry respectively?

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Beefhater

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Beefhater

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12 years ago

Apr 24, 2013, 5:00:12 PM

Teodosio wrote:
What about the system improvement "Hydrosequencing" (+1 per opulation: on planets and +1 per opulation: on terran)?

Could this improvement make terran superior to both ocean and jungle regarding science and industry respectively?

This improvment is only avalible for Automatons but you are absolutly right for Automatons terran planets are superior

and i guess for Sower even tundra has a larger industry ourput then all the other tier 1 planets.

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iodinegalaxy

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iodinegalaxy

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12 years ago

Apr 27, 2013, 9:06:02 AM

Beefhater wrote:
This improvment is only avalible for Automatons but you are absolutly right for Automatons terran planets are superior

and i guess for Sower even tundra has a larger industry ourput then all the other tier 1 planets.

The improvement is available to all factions, but gives more FIDS on Terran planets for Automatons.

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