Sarah Kerrigan <3



The ultimate female video game character.

Star Wars Rebellion has Princess Leia and Dahlia. =)



But hey it is amazing to hear girls are into 4x games.



In my world, I am like a big time undercover 4x gaming nerd and girls don't even know what 4x means.

KyleRees wrote:
Star Wars Rebellion has Princess Leia and Dahlia. =)



But hey it is amazing to hear girls are into 4x games.



In my world, I am like a big time undercover 4x gaming nerd and girls don't even know what 4x means.

I'm a second generation gamer girl. My mom was into D&D in college, so when she heard of Final Fantasy on NES, she got it. Played, beat, then gave to me and my brother. I was hooked since. Mom kept playing RPGs, I play everything. I own all 3 consoles and have dozens of games in various genres, plus my PC, which is mostly used for Sims and 4x games.



My mother is also the one who got me into Civilization, and she continued to play 4X games till she died. Colonization was a particular favorite. Tragically the remake came just 6 months after she left us. She would have loved it so.



Ahem, personal nostalgia aside, yes, girls love 4X A lot of girls get into games later than I did or do it more casually and don't have the twitch reflex skills to play action games. Thinkers like RPGs and 4X allow people of both genders who are not controller wizards to play a cool deep game. Though the number who are hardcore gamers is quite on the rise.

My daughter is playing some games. She's 5 years old and play at Sims 3, various free dress games on internet, but also things like Castle crashers with her brother or Viva Pinata party animals, Sonic and Sega all star racing. she also look at her brother playing Bastion, or me playing Warlock, Endless Space.

I hope she'll be a "complete" gamer and not just a sims addict

Ah, i remember what kind of games I played when I was 5. The Jumpstart series was a big one and princess maker. My first real game as a kid was Lara Croft I always played around her mansion for hours and bothering the butler. I was too terrified to play the actual adventure because your first enemy was a tiger.



When my niece visits me, she likes to play with my phone to play stuff like the kairosoft series, godville, and toca boca's kids games. She hated haircuts but after play Toca Hair Salon, she became more understandable and now thinks cutting hair is hard lol.

repbunny wrote:
She hated haircuts but after play Toca Hair Salon...

wow such games even exist!? And here I thought Sims was bad enough.

Raptor wrote:
wow such games even exist!? And here I thought Sims was bad enough.

Aw, don't you want kids to learn how to design a house, the value of a simoleon, or how to take care of people?

repbunny wrote:
Aw, don't you want kids to learn how to design a house, the value of a simoleon, or how to take care of people?

No, I want to turn them into super effective killing machines

Raptor wrote:
No, I want to turn them into super effective killing machines

My daughter (5 years old) is still a warrior, unlike her brother.

For instance ? She was playing with some figurines : a princess and the knight. The princess is very girly, the knight very... knightly.

My daughter speaking for the princess "Oh my noble knight you are so good, so powerful," etc.

Me = T__T

But ! The knight walks on the princess dress : "What ? Are you walking on my dress ? double high kick !" Then she takes the figurine of the princess and do a double high kick to the poor knight. That dies. Should I stop playing Street Fighter when my daughter is near ?

Me =

I love my daughter.

VieuxChat, as Marie says in the Aristocats: "Ladies don't start fights, but they can finish them!"

VieuxChat wrote:
My daughter (5 years old) is still a warrior, unlike her brother.

For instance ? She was playing with some figurines : a princess and the knight. The princess is very grily, the knight very... knightly.

My daughter speaking for the princess "Oh my noble knight you are so good, so powerful," etc.

Me = T__T

But ! The knight walks on the princess dress : "What ? Are you walking on my dress ? double high kick !" Then she takes the figurine of the princess and do a double high kick to the poor knight. That dies. shold I stop playing Street Fighter when my daughter is near ?

Me =

I love my daughter.

haha nice one VieuxChat you are turning your daughter into a kunoichi (a female ninja)!

VieuxChat wrote:
My daughter (5 years old) is still a warrior, unlike her brother.

For instance ? She was playing with some figurines : a princess and the knight. The princess is very grily, the knight very... knightly.

My daughter speaking for the princess "Oh my noble knight you are so good, so powerful," etc.

Me = T__T

But ! The knight walks on the princess dress : "What ? Are you walking on my dress ? double high kick !" Then she takes the figurine of the princess and do a double high kick to the poor knight. That dies. shold I stop playing Street Fighter when my daughter is near ?

Me =

I love my daughter.

Wow better than my roleplay.

SpaceVC wrote:
VieuxChat, as Marie says in the Aristocats: "Ladies don't start fights, but they can finish them!"

D'aww I love that movie. And Marie! So cute.

Raptor wrote:
haha nice one VieuxChat you are turning your daughter into a kunoichi (a female ninja)!

A dancing kunoichi. She wants to learn to dance, she already trains herself in front of the mirror. -___- Why don't she wants to try capoeira as her brother ?

I never new girls played games soz I have just had way to many bad experiences with so called girls behind mics turning out to be 40 yr old bearded men with voice changers.



my bad.

I honestly find the whole gender-equality topic a huge load of huuey in itself, and when it's presented in gamer community, I feel like facepalming all day long.



First of all, it's a ginermous bucket of myths. I'm well aware, and well acquainted with a lot of female players, several of whom simply never want to come across as female, because of possible different attitude towards them, thanks to the "gurl gamers", who go around yelling "I'M A GIRL GAMER, AREN'T I CUTE?".

And saying females are somehow shafted in games is simply silly. Games cater, and are made for certain kind of people.



Media in itself has a lot of strong females in it, and games are in no way different from this. The actual problem here is that you have so many restrictions on how you're allowed to picture a female before a feminist surfaces and starts screaming holy war against you. This goes also for any and every minority.

This in itself is purely stupid. You can do anything to a white male thirty-forty-something heterosexual character, and nobody will care, but god forbid you do this to anyone of any other gender, sexual orientation, skin colour or age, and suddenly you're juggling nuclear bombs.



This in itself presents severe difficulties in portraying female characters, either you have to make it a blond hottie, witty brunette, or the twisted grandma. You are forced to make her a weak princess (but not too weak) or something short of an amazon. Females aren't allowed to be made human in any sense of the word, but some kind of better than truth version of what they are.



If you want to play games with females in them, hit steam and start browsing, half (or more) of the action games have some kind of "the cup runneth over" female protagonist who has no flaws other than weak knees for some Don Juan who screws her sideways early on/at the end of the game, just to be beaten up at the end/on the next title.



This game should not be about whether the picture of your hero/faction has boobs, beard, both or neither in it, this should be one where you need to think on how to survive.

touny wrote:
I honestly find the whole gender-equality topic a huge load of huuey in itself, and when it's presented in gamer community, I feel like facepalming all day long.



First of all, it's a ginermous bucket of myths. I'm well aware, and well acquainted with a lot of female players, several of whom simply never want to come across as female, because of possible different attitude towards them, thanks to the "gurl gamers", who go around yelling "I'M A GIRL GAMER, AREN'T I CUTE?".

And saying females are somehow shafted in games is simply silly. Games cater, and are made for certain kind of people.



Media in itself has a lot of strong females in it, and games are in no way different from this. The actual problem here is that you have so many restrictions on how you're allowed to picture a female before a feminist surfaces and starts screaming holy war against you. This goes also for any and every minority.

This in itself is purely stupid. You can do anything to a white male thirty-forty-something heterosexual character, and nobody will care, but god forbid you do this to anyone of any other gender, sexual orientation, skin colour or age, and suddenly you're juggling nuclear bombs.



This in itself presents severe difficulties in portraying female characters, either you have to make it a blond hottie, witty brunette, or the twisted grandma. You are forced to make her a weak princess (but not too weak) or something short of an amazon. Females aren't allowed to be made human in any sense of the word, but some kind of better than truth version of what they are.



If you want to play games with females in them, hit steam and start browsing, half (or more) of the action games have some kind of "the cup runneth over" female protagonist who has no flaws other than weak knees for some Don Juan who screws her sideways early on/at the end of the game, just to be beaten up at the end/on the next title.



This game should not be about whether the picture of your hero/faction has boobs, beard, both or neither in it, this should be one where you need to think on how to survive.

Okay WOW! Way to just completely ignore and dismiss very real gender inequality. I really don't appreciate the insinuation I'm being 'stupid' or 'silly'. I really don't know how to respond to this level of willful ignoring of the facts, frankly.



No. We are NOT portrayed on equal footing with men. And a few, occasional well-written women doesn't mean we are EQUAL with male characters. Yes, good female chars exist, but they are INCREDIBLY RARE compared to their male counterparts.



I'm not even going to bother deconstructing your points since anyone who does NOT see the blatant inequality in the way women are represented in media, frankly, is probably trying not to and never will. The points I have made - and that many others on this thread, male and female, have agreed with - are self-evident.



Oh by the way, news flash, women are NOT a minority, we are half the population. Not to mention I have no fricking clue what you're talking about, I could name plenty of cliched and even offensive minority characters in games. I seriously have no idea what planet's media you are into, but it certainly doesn't seem to be Earth's.



To VieuxChat: DOUBLE HIGH KICK! Bwahahaha. That made my day. Get some King of Fighters, she'll love King. DOUBLE STRIKE!

UrsaClaire wrote:
Okay WOW! Way to just completely ignore and dismiss very real gender inequality. I really don't appreciate the insinuation I'm being 'stupid' or 'silly'. I really don't know how to respond to this level of willful ignoring of the facts, frankly.



No. We are NOT portrayed on equal footing with men. And a few, occasional well-written women doesn't mean we are EQUAL with male characters. Yes, good female chars exist, but they are INCREDIBLY RARE compared to their male counterparts.

The very real gender inequality in western culture stopped existing when feminism was allowed to exist. But feel free to wilfully continue ignoring this little tidbit.

And correct, women are not portrayed on equal footing, they're portrayed on more equal footing.

UrsaClaire wrote:
I'm not even going to bother deconstructing your points since anyone who does NOT see the blatant inequality in the way women are represented in media, frankly, is probably trying not to and never will. The points I have made - and that many others on this thread, male and female, have agreed with - are self-evident.

In other words, "I'm right, you're wrong, and if you don't agree with me, you're just wrong".

Boy, you sure are playing the smart woman card real well right there.

UrsaClaire wrote:
Oh by the way, news flash, women are NOT a minority, we are half the population. Not to mention I have no fricking clue what you're talking about, I could name plenty of cliched and even offensive minority characters in games. I seriously have no idea what planet's media you are into, but it certainly doesn't seem to be Earth's.

Oh by the way, I quote myself now, "This goes also for any and every minority.". But I'm guessing you don't need to read, you're way too entitled for that kind of stuff.



I myself present an actual minority, one that is actually shafted in both media and in the real wide world. But maybe I should start demanding for gay faction leaders.

How's that sound for you guys?

touny wrote:
The very real gender inequality in western culture stopped existing when feminism was allowed to exist. But feel free to wilfully continue ignoring this little tidbit.

And correct, women are not portrayed on equal footing, they're portrayed on more equal footing.

Seriously, this statement shows how out of touch you are.



And I'm a lesbian AND transgendered. I have experienced inequality, and hun, women are not generally portrayed as equal in fiction. They just aren't.

UrsaClaire wrote:
Seriously, this statement shows how out of touch you are.



And I'm a lesbian AND transgendered. I have experienced inequality, and hun, women are not generally portrayed as equal in fiction. They just aren't.

I'm also hispanic, black, one-eyed, lost one leg, lost a pet, and so much more mascot material than you are.

Because apparently we're trying to figure who gets more pity points.



Feminist forums are somewhere around there, good riddance. ->

... Wow. I was just pointing out that I know the same sort of discrimination.



Really, the hostility isn't needed. I am not trying to say I have it worse, but that I can relate and as someone who does know that same discrimination against orientation, that I think you are way wrong here. In THEORY we are a non-sexist society, but we still have much of the old sexism in practice. And entertainment media is an area that has been particularly slow to change it's ways.



I don't consider myself a feminist. I'll be the first to object to a show where it's okay for women to hit men but not vice versa. There is inequality and sexism both ways. And most people in Our society are perfectly fair. But the media is still dominated by old ingrained cliches that many writers don't even realize are offensive.