Shivetya wrote:
and when exactly is this coming? It is not up for vote... oh, you mean the expansion. I might as well wait for Santa to be real.

It was up for the last vote. And it won. And considering the devs have made good on all of their promises so far, you aren't earning any credibility by spitting on them.

Ships (in especially large ones) should be much more expensive in upkeep and production but also must be much harder to destroy. This way they can get some "personality".

Battles should be tweaked a lot so that not every battle ends in complete destruction of one side(usually this happens already in long range phase ).

Instead battles between evenly numberes fleets should tend to end in a draw. This would make reinforcemens and off-battle repair much more important.

Off course the fleet system concerning upkeep and production and AI behaviour has to be changed but i am sure such changes would give much spice to combat and overall game feeling.

znork wrote:
So my bigest compliant about this game is the lack of soule. And i have been thinking and i belive i have som thoughtes.

I agree on that one

znork wrote:
Making some short simpel event movies for the bigest events like settlign the first plannet.

This one is a must have. Espacialy Victory Movies. The simple Pop Up at the end is always disapointing. You win and it does not feal like a win. I wach the Victory movies of CIV or MoO everytime. It just feals more like a Victory that is celebratet.

znork wrote:
Makking the ships change as you add moudls and wepons.

I would love to see this but i doupt that they will implement it. It is also just eye candy and does not realy add to the game.

znork wrote:
adding huge ships

Befor adding hige ships i would say ad smaler ones // Figters // wich should launch at the arriving phase, so they impakt on the enemy after the first salvo of beam weapons. other wise they will never see action.

znork wrote:
what do you think?

more soul is needet.

Shivetya wrote:
Well the developers are doing a piss poor job in conveying what we are voting on. Hell a couple of times I wasn't even remotely sure what I one or more choices actually was going to do.

In what way are they not clear? How is razing systems or battle actions in auto ambiguous.

Adding touches of personality like MOO would be great, IMHO. They game plays fine (though diplomacy could use some work), but I agree it's missing some "soule".

Fenrakk101 wrote:
I'm pretty sure the aim of the diplomacy improvement is to give all of the factions more "personality" - making Sophons and Amoeba rather docile and the Cravers noticeably more aggressive, for example.

Well the developers are doing a piss poor job in conveying what we are voting on. Hell a couple of times I wasn't even remotely sure what I one or more choices actually was going to do.

Tiriondil wrote:
There are huge ships. I don't see any point in adding more of them.

Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion did it and it's been a positive change for them. The thing is, it really wouldn't work in Endless Space. I already posted a summary of the issues with implementing them, but I also thought of another: If there WERE huge ships, they would be almost impossible to take out since your fleets can only be a limited size. And if you can have escort ships WITH your huge ships, then if the person with a huge ship has the better military tech, it would simply be impossible for the other player to take it out. Even if you bombarded the ship with multiple fleets, you would just need to play three rounds of Engineering each battle and be at 100% for the next.

Overall some good ideas. I hijack this thread, pull it back to topic and answer to the ideas one by one.

znork wrote:
adding randon exploraion events.feks finding ships, resources and tec

Don't know what you mean with "feks", but the idea of finding resources or techs by random events is not that bad. But for my taste there are enough random events, most of which can be really annoying.

znork wrote:
adding a capiral planet in eache system where the system improvments are easy to view.

I don't think that a capital planet would be a solution for that, especially not for the "game feeling". But still I like the idea of a capital planet, it just feels right.

znork wrote:
Making some short simpel event movies for the bigest events like settlign the first plannet.

Like in Civilization. Yep, I'd like that.

znork wrote:
adding som fun messages from the ai players sending you emails

That would be really cool, but that requires some AI that understands the concept of humor. And here's the real problem.

znork wrote:
adding scenarios wiche stick more to eache factions story. Like having amobiee not grow but they have a set of tecs and planets.

I'm sorry, but I really don't understand that point. Scenarios are another game option that differs from the "normal" game. That would be a nice addon, in some version later.

znork wrote:
Makking the ships change as you add moudls and wepons.

A nice idea in general.

znork wrote:
adding huge ships

There are huge ships. I don't see any point in adding more of them.

Fenrakk101 wrote:
If the lore is your concern, you should probably wait for the diplomacy improvement before making suggestions about it, considering there could be more interesting ways of approaching the issue once the races actually have their own distinct personalities.

It's not only about diplomacy, but also about the fact there's no scenario in the game. I'd like to create real tutorials that would introduce special powers of races. Like starting a game with Amoeba and being cornered in a small part of the galaxy and you neighboors that are waging war against each others, and you have to get a pacific win.

I got most of it, the only thing that left me truly puzzled was, "Like having amobiee not grow but they have a set of tecs and planets."

Heh, charming.

He's Znork! He speaks Znorkish! It's part of his charm <.<

Some of these sound like they are nice ideas, but the lack of spelling and grammar makes it pretty hard to understand what you mean.

Shivetya wrote:
I think you are reading far more into what we voted on than the developers intend. The big gripe people had with alliances was that you could be forced into wars and cease fires without your knowledge. I doubt very much it will apply much beyond that. If they would add something challenging like espionage then I would be impressed, as it stands both of the other two items were far better choices. The Auto Battle for making MP games tolerable with many players and the AI one well, for a challenge that didn't require artificially boosting the numbers the AI plays with or ignores

I'm pretty sure the aim of the diplomacy improvement is to give all of the factions more "personality" - making Sophons and Amoeba rather docile and the Cravers noticeably more aggressive, for example.

Fenrakk101 wrote:
It was up for the last vote. And it won. And considering the devs have made good on all of their promises so far, you aren't earning any credibility by spitting on them.

I think you are reading far more into what we voted on than the developers intend. The big gripe people had with alliances was that you could be forced into wars and cease fires without your knowledge. I doubt very much it will apply much beyond that. If they would add something challenging like espionage then I would be impressed, as it stands both of the other two items were far better choices. The Auto Battle for making MP games tolerable with many players and the AI one well, for a challenge that didn't require artificially boosting the numbers the AI plays with or ignores

So my bigest compliant about this game is the lack of soule. And i have been thinking and i belive i have som thoughtes.



adding randon exploraion events.feks finding ships, resources and tec



adding a capiral planet in eache system where the system improvments are easy to view.



Making some short simpel event movies for the bigest events like settlign the first plannet.



adding som fun messages from the ai players sending you emails



adding scenarios wiche stick more to eache factions story. Like having amobiee not grow but they have a set of tecs and planets.



Makking the ships change as you add moudls and wepons.



adding huge ships



what do you think?

Fenrakk101 wrote:
If the lore is your concern, you should probably wait for the diplomacy improvement before making suggestions about it, considering there could be more interesting ways of approaching the issue once the races actually have their own distinct personalities.

and when exactly is this coming? It is not up for vote... oh, you mean the expansion. I might as well wait for Santa to be real.

VieuxChat wrote:
That game needs some way to have triggers and tied events. The lore isn't really shown in all its beauty.

If the lore is your concern, you should probably wait for the diplomacy improvement before making suggestions about it, considering there could be more interesting ways of approaching the issue once the races actually have their own distinct personalities.

That game needs some way to have triggers and tied events. The lore isn't really shown in all its beauty.

I do think it would be nice to add a little bit of flair to the planets, and to also see them changed as you develop them. I always enjoyed how in Sins of a Solar Empire you could see all the ships and stuff circling the planet's surface when you zoomed in. It was a small touch that added a lot. It would be cool in Endless Space if the planets reflected their development, i.e. the atmosphere becomes smoggy if you industrialize it.

Yes the game needs some more life. I would also like some additional battle animations to make the battle a bit less lifeless. The fact that every destroyed ship explodes in a flash of light becomes kind of boring after a while. I would enjoy ships cutted in half by beam weapons or ships destroyed by kinetics floating around as perforated hulls....



Also a more detailed planet surface view would be nice..you remeber the planet view of Moo2? Even considering the stone old graphics this planet view gives you an impression of the environment you are colonizing making the game much more lively.

znork wrote:
So my bigest compliant about this game is the lack of soule. And i have been thinking and i belive i have som thoughtes.



adding randon exploraion events.feks finding ships, resources and tec



adding a capiral planet in eache system where the system improvments are easy to view.



Making some short simpel event movies for the bigest events like settlign the first plannet.



adding som fun messages from the ai players sending you emails



adding scenarios wiche stick more to eache factions story. Like having amobiee not grow but they have a set of tecs and planets.



Makking the ships change as you add moudls and wepons.



adding huge ships



what do you think?

-I don't know about the random events presented. Tech seems like it would be a silly thing to have as a random event; you could get a seriously overpowered tech that makes you feel like it's an unfair system, or you could get a useless tech that you can't even use and you'll wonder why the system is there in the first place. Resources are something that already have a working system in game, since you have to research them and you can already find them; it's not really a "random" event. Finding ships also shares its problems with finding tech. I think the idea would work much better if you could find random junk that gives you dust (through sale or use), but not a lot of dust.



-Having a "capital planet" seems a bit weird to me. Considering an empire is a collective, and communication is probably much more efficient in this universe, it makes sense to have a capital system, but in reality a capital planet in a system would really serve no functional purpose. Each planet would have its own economy and government agencies, and since decisions for an empire at made at the empire capital, not on a system-by-system basis, there's no need for it. System view also gives you an effective rundown of what the system has to offer, so there's no aching for a capital planet to organize things.



-This sounds pretty cheesy for one thing, especially when you may end up playing hundreds of games of Endless Space and the cutscenes are only interesting a few times. It could also be a bad thing, since it would seriously ruin the pacing of the game. You would have more cutscenes in the early game and almost none towards the end, which would make the late game seem far less interesting and incredibly inferior to the early game. It would also be the kind of thing where, should the cutscene play EVERY time you settle a planet, or just the first time? If it doesn't play every time, players will want it to. If it does, it'll be annoying. Plus, it would probably have to be disabled for multiplayer, because it would lengthen the waiting time for turns. And again, if they disable it in multiplayer, there will be people who want it enabled.



-This is one I like. Like other people said, taunts/threats would be interesting. Although the issue comes when you have a lot of allies. When you're in the middle of a galactic war, you don't call the leader of an empire to discuss the weather, and Amoeba players may find the galaxy far more dull than a Craver player.



-I'm really not sure what to make of this one.



-I think everyone can get behind this, although it would be a massive project from a design perspective.



-Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion did this, and while it's interesting to look at, I'm not entirely sure it works from a gameplay perspective. It's fun and awesome to have an enormous ship at your disposal that can crush anything, but I don't think it's all that fun considering there could be an enemy ship coming at any time and you won't know. Still, people like it, and all power to those who do. But the other issue with it is the fleet size cap. You can only have just around 10 "population" per fleet, and if you had a super-powerful ship, it would probably have to be all alone in its own fleet. And that's just no fun to look at. Unless it had a smaller "population" rating, or none at all, which would be simply way too overpowered. But again, it's an idea people would enjoy, but it's probably best left to the mod community than the dev team.





Sorry I kind of shot down all of your ideas... I just try to keep things in perspective, and these seemed more like they would dumb down the game than make it more interesting (or make it interesting for a few games, then dumb it down when you realize they didn't really improve the gameplay that much)

Although I feel that this has been suggested many times before, I nevertheless totally agree - the ideas presented would indeed be helpful in making the game deeper, so you have my vote!

creating animations for when we interact with the other factions would go very far into bringing this game to life. Scripting a personality; attitude; and such into what they say to us would help as well. I feel as if I am playing endless excel at times.

I do like the idea of random exploration events, ai's sending random messages (perhaps taunting you or bullying you at times), and the simple event movies would be nice as well though not stricly neccessary.

Hi



I have to agree with nearly all points written in the first post. I would like to see (really) a lot different ship hulls and hull sizes as well as possibility to have longer I would say "epic" battles with more ships at the same time.



I have been thinking how I would like to improve game to get more variability and re-playability. Maybe involving player more deeply into battles (space and ground) as well as more interaction with heroes for example. I would like to see "planetary system view" populated with planets and moons orbited by space stations and fleets.... (dreaming



enjoy

C.

Those are all phenomenal ideas - adding more of a 'story' element to the game is always a good thing! Even the ability to have event/faction/improvement/tech specific messages pop up, or changing victory conditions, or even "tactical" victory conditions. I suspect that changing ship models based on equipped weapons and "set piece" scenarios would be extremely hard even for the developers to add.



On the other hand, though, I feel like Endless Space has more soul than almost any other game I've played. I'm starting to feel attached to the races and their universe, much like I once sighed in awe as the Kushan found their Homeworld at last.

These changes would work.

Nosferatiel wrote:
Changed to a discussion.

You know the rules, viking.

plz stay on topic and don hijack threads

Changed to a discussion.

You know the rules, viking.