Health bars for ships during combat

wibou

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13 years ago

May 5, 2012, 8:28:37 PM

Definitely useful and easy to implement (I guess) +1 for me.

Tiriondil

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Aug 10, 2012, 9:08:16 AM

Nosferatiel wrote:
I'd go even further, giving some interface space during combat to an icon for each ship (like in the fleet interface at galaxy level) with an HP-bar instead of an overall HP-bar, so you can actually see what the hell is happening.

Yep, +1 from me for that idea. And 5 stars for the thread.

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Aug 9, 2012, 9:35:57 PM

Discussion of the patch with complete patch notes is in the top forum. =)

WhatGravitas

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12 years ago

Aug 9, 2012, 9:22:02 PM

Nosferatiel wrote:
It's already implemented, now, unless I misunderstand the meaning of "battle mode":

...new update just a few hours ago? That sneaked up on me! Nice!

In that case, I'd need to play around with it a bit more to say how good it is.

MODNosferatiel

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MODNosferatiel

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12 years ago

Aug 9, 2012, 8:59:15 PM

WhatGravitas wrote:
Agreed, I think this is something that would be included quite easily visually - most people are using wide-screens anyway - so just have a fold-out ship list on the left and right, in the usual translucent style Endless Space has. That leaves the action in the centre of the screen visible... and if you don't need the info, you could hide it to show the currently used stats.

It's already implemented, now, unless I misunderstand the meaning of "battle mode":

LoiCus- wrote:
1.0.14

CHANGES AND ADDITIONS

Added a new information panel in Battle Mode displaying individual ships with a health bar and their statistics.

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Aug 9, 2012, 8:54:40 PM

Agreed, I think this is something that would be included quite easily visually - most people are using wide-screens anyway - so just have a fold-out ship list on the left and right, in the usual translucent style Endless Space has. That leaves the action in the centre of the screen visible... and if you don't need the info, you could hide it to show the currently used stats.

AtomSoldat

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AtomSoldat

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12 years ago

Aug 9, 2012, 2:14:02 PM

Nice idea.

Jakarsias

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Jakarsias

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12 years ago

Aug 9, 2012, 7:30:33 AM

An overview of the ships involved in the battle and some icons which modules are on these ships, that would be damn heck useful.... currently i dunno if my fleet that is engaged in battle has kinetic/beam/torpedoe ability, so modules overview of these ships would help ...

LordShotGun

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Aug 8, 2012, 8:41:20 PM

It would be nice to see what ships have taken what damage and such on some type of spreadsheet during battle.

MODNosferatiel

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MODNosferatiel

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12 years ago

Aug 8, 2012, 4:35:38 PM

I'm so nasty to followe Steph'nies example and just change the prefix.

And I need a smiley with a halo for such purposes!

MODNosferatiel

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MODNosferatiel

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13 years ago

Jun 10, 2012, 11:10:35 AM

This thread is the origin of discussions about changing the combat UI to view separate ships, not only one health bar for all.

Other threads about this have been archived:

/#/endless-space/forum/29-archives/thread/13245-suggestion-seperate-health-bars-for-ships-during-combat

Feel free to post here about this topic here and inform yourself about the variations the threads listed above have already discussed, but don't open new suggestion threads for anything alike.

jetkar

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May 10, 2012, 7:45:24 AM

Tikigod wrote:
Far as I can tell there is currently no way to actually tell what ships are remaining during combat other than if each type of ship is an entirely different hull classification and as such has a different model.

It would be extremely useful if it were possible to tell if one of my ships that just blew up was the only ship in the fleet that had a repair module present so as to not expect any beginning of phase minor repairs to be done.

Or to know that in the long distance phase I lost my short ranged kinetic ship designs, so I am better off at the short range phase playing a ability/tactic other than increasing kinetic damage output.

The same goes for enemy ships, in the pre-combat fleet line-up I can see what ships I am up against, however once combat begins I have no idea if the ship I just blew up was the enemies only missile barrage ship or similar.

Added to the Summary list here. If you have any further ideas or need to discuss this please use this thread

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thelovebat

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May 10, 2012, 1:07:32 AM

Nosferatiel wrote:
I'd go even further, giving some interface space during combat to an icon for each ship (like in the fleet interface at galaxy level) with an HP-bar instead of an overall HP-bar, so you can actually see what the hell is happening.

This is something that is definitely needed to know what the heck is going on in the carnage of the battle, and so I can play cards in the 2nd and 3rd stages accordingly to what ships I've lost (and the ships the enemy has lost).

Tikigod

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May 5, 2012, 12:42:21 AM

Far as I can tell there is currently no way to actually tell what ships are remaining during combat other than if each type of ship is an entirely different hull classification and as such has a different model.

It would be extremely useful if it were possible to tell if one of my ships that just blew up was the only ship in the fleet that had a repair module present so as to not expect any beginning of phase minor repairs to be done.

Or to know that in the long distance phase I lost my short ranged kinetic ship designs, so I am better off at the short range phase playing a ability/tactic other than increasing kinetic damage output.

The same goes for enemy ships, in the pre-combat fleet line-up I can see what ships I am up against, however once combat begins I have no idea if the ship I just blew up was the enemies only missile barrage ship or similar.

Tikigod

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May 5, 2012, 6:48:17 PM

Nosferatiel wrote:
I'd go even further, giving some interface space during combat to an icon for each ship (like in the fleet interface at galaxy level) with an HP-bar instead of an overall HP-bar, so you can actually see what the hell is happening.

Indeed, this would be my preferred method as well.

But it depends on how combat is currently done and damage applied.

If combat currently works by taking the damage output of one entire fleet and applies it randomly across the target fleet then does individual ship defence/resistance checks to see how much of that ships portion of the damage is applied then the information worth reporting can change.

Same with ship hp, if ships in combat don't have individual hp tracking but rather each ships hp figure is thrown into a total fleet hp pool which is deducted from as damage is applied and then the game removes the ships from the fleet starting with those with the lowest contributing hp at fleet hp % thresholds... then again what information is worth displaying differs.

Would be nice to know exactly how combat is calculated to see how much extra information in-combat to report would be helpful to players.

fibio

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May 5, 2012, 2:32:58 PM

More feedback is definitly a must. Things like tallies of the damage done and effectivness of armour would also be apreciated. Right now the actual ships loss and damage done seems feels obtuse and while the battles look pretty there's very little visual feedback (especially when the camera focuses on the wrong side of the enemy fleet as mine is torn apart).

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quastebec

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13 years ago

May 5, 2012, 1:40:42 PM

I second nosferatiels comment. I too would like to know what the hell is happening to my fleet and to individual ships in combat ...

Also more visual feedback overall about how the combat is going is to be desired.

not to mention i would like to tell them more what they should do ... but thats for another thread ...

MODNosferatiel

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MODNosferatiel

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13 years ago

May 5, 2012, 1:36:42 PM

I'd go even further, giving some interface space during combat to an icon for each ship (like in the fleet interface at galaxy level) with an HP-bar instead of an overall HP-bar, so you can actually see what the hell is happening.

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13 years ago

May 5, 2012, 6:55:34 AM

A tooltip on the number of ships while the combat polays would be useful.

Remscar

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Remscar

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13 years ago

May 5, 2012, 2:34:31 AM

I agree with Merku on this. +1, would be useful.

Monarch

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Monarch

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May 5, 2012, 2:31:03 AM

That sounds really useful considering how often I reuse the same hulls for different things

Panopticon

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Panopticon

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13 years ago

May 5, 2012, 12:56:28 AM

That sounds useful

Merku

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13 years ago

May 5, 2012, 12:55:41 AM

Ah, that makes sense. Yes, good idea. +1 from me.

Tikigod

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13 years ago

May 5, 2012, 12:54:15 AM

Those sound good as well, though what I had more in mind in the OP suggestion was that during combat I could bring up a list of the ship names/types that were still left standing.

So lets say when the combat starts I have a fleet consisting of:

2x 'Barrage' missile frigates.

2x 'Voyager' scout frigates.

1x 'Patcher' repair frigate.

During the long range phase one ship gets destroyed... currently it seems there is no way to actually know what that ship was. The fleet composition only deals in ship numbers (/).

So what I would like to see instead is either:

Cheap and easy - I hover over the figures of numbers of ships remaining in my fleet, it displays a tool tip that lists the actual names of ships remaining.

More extensive - A expand/collapse section on my fleets side of the interface, that lists all the ships currently left in the field and depending on how the game actually calculates combat, each ships current status.

Merku

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13 years ago

May 5, 2012, 12:46:45 AM

I'm not sure if you're familiar with Gratuitous Space Battles but it's the only thing that comes to mind... Are you referring to a statistics screen at the end, like GSB? Or are you wanting more along the lines of a chart showing when certain ship designs were destroyed and by what without some of the extra stats?

Either way... more information is typically good as long as it's presented in a clear and concise manner. I say this while finishing off a term paper for my last Ph.D class which is heavy in statistical regression analysis. Succinctness is good. Presentation is good. To hell with complicated presentation of data, no matter how useful it is.

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