[Suggestion] Pause Combat while chosing battle actions

Firstborn98

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12 years ago

Oct 6, 2012, 7:47:16 AM

If not a pause get the window to pop open showing the battle cards and a timer before the next phase starts and give a second or extra between phases. I sometimes get so caught up in watching the cinematic and how I my ships are doing I forget about the next phase and ding its to late

Igncom1

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Infantry win firefights. Tanks win battles. Artillery win wars.

Igncom1

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12 years ago

Jul 15, 2012, 9:30:45 PM

"UI - Combat Timer on/off - Ability to disable combat timer prior to engagement X"

from /#/endless-space/forum/28-game-design/thread/13098-community-suggestions-amplitude-is-following

Naku

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Naku

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300g2g pts

12 years ago

Jul 15, 2012, 10:01:16 PM

Igncom1 wrote:
"UI - Combat Timer on/off - Ability to disable combat timer prior to engagement X"

from /#/endless-space/forum/28-game-design/thread/13098-community-suggestions-amplitude-is-following

So, it will never happen right? Shame then

Igncom1

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Infantry win firefights. Tanks win battles. Artillery win wars.

Igncom1

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12 years ago

Jul 15, 2012, 10:23:50 PM

yeah, but there should be some kind of default, besides you can read up on the outside of battle anyway, so it shouldn't be much of a problem, adds a little sweat to your forehead!

DoctorEvil

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DoctorEvil

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12 years ago

Jul 15, 2012, 10:47:10 PM

+1 for pause and choose. Because sometimes one just hasn´t got enough time to choose.....

Prophet

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Prophet

Lost Underground

12 years ago

Jul 17, 2012, 12:28:15 AM

Igncom1 wrote:
"UI - Combat Timer on/off - Ability to disable combat timer prior to engagement X"

from /#/endless-space/forum/28-game-design/thread/13098-community-suggestions-amplitude-is-following

I would argue that is different than adding a pause feature. Until I hear otherwise from the devs, I think this suggestion is still valid.

Slo-Moe

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Slo-Moe

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12 years ago

Aug 19, 2012, 4:47:46 PM

+1 more vote for this -- more precisely, pause combat at the start screen where you can see the enemy fleet and choose "Automatic" or "Manual" battle actions (at least in single-player mode). I know you can review cards before combat, but until you see what the enemy is packing, you can't really choose appropriate cards. This is a strategy game after all, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect players -- in the seconds before combat starts -- to analyze the enemy fleet, AND remember all the card details (quick, which defense card is best against beams?) AND recall your fleet details (is my fleet strong on missiles or is it beams?). Like the original poster, I find myself jarred out of my leisurely, analytical game, forced suddenly to rush-read and madly stab at cards, hoping I get good ones. Not fun.

dontnormally

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dontnormally

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12 years ago

Sep 20, 2012, 5:25:09 PM

+1

Please please please add an option to Pause during Card Selection for single-player games!

I understand the motive for multiplayer, but during a single-player TURN BASED game I expect to NEVER have to rush to a decision.

That's why I'm playing a TURN BASED game!

Excellent, excellent game - just don't force me out of my calm, TURN BASED mentality into forcibly-rushed, poor decision.

VIPPangolinAdvisor

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12 years ago

Sep 20, 2012, 9:35:16 PM

I have two things to say about this idea:

1) I believe the idea of pausing mid-combat is against the game design imo. Battles in Endless Space are supposed to give you this little thrill and a feeling of pressure, after all a giant space battle is about to occur. Also, one of the points why we have turn timer is to give us time to choose the battle card you want to play. You can also look at the cards beforehand to prepare a strategy for your next engagement, to not waste time for thinking while in combat. The alternative idea is way better imo, I'd actually kinda like to see that implemented in the future

2) Even though I don't like the idea of adding the pause button in combat, since ES is mainly a singleplayer experience I suppose there's no harm in adding that function, allowing everyone to play in the way they want to play. Thene again, I think this should be taken care by modders rather then the dev team - they have more important things to do right now ^^

Naku

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Naku

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300g2g pts

12 years ago

Jul 15, 2012, 9:20:51 PM

I would like to see pause option while selecting cards.

Erroll

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Erroll

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19 900g2g pts

12 years ago

Dec 5, 2012, 6:01:00 PM

I was shocked when I first played this turn based game and discovered I could not pause combat in a single player game. I was sure I just didn't know how. I don't see how this can NOT be put in..

I knew I was not going to be completely satisfied with the limited choices relating to combat but I knew that when I bought the game. That I could not pause to consider the only choice I get to make was frustrating.

Igncom1

Craver

Infantry win firefights. Tanks win battles. Artillery win wars.

Igncom1

Craver

12 years ago

Dec 5, 2012, 8:09:29 PM

Well the game is MP geared as well, so a compromise was made to prevent people from pausing and walking away.

But still, read the cards before the battle, it makes it soo much easier when you know them off hand and can auto select them based on the picture and color of the card.

fallout2boy

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fallout2boy

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12 years ago

Dec 12, 2012, 1:35:22 AM

I agree 100% there needs to be a pause option so we can read the cards and understand what are options are. +1 on thread

Skyles

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Skyles

Newcomer

12 years ago

Dec 12, 2012, 2:25:34 AM

An option to pause between battle phases, absolutely.

Dr__Soul

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Dr__Soul

Newcomer

12 years ago

Dec 12, 2012, 11:55:39 AM

For experience players choosing cards in short time is not an issue, but I remember my disorientation in variety of cards first time. So, for new players it is important.

As for the old ones, it is good to have some default behaviour set for this or that fleet. For example, use special ability for the Hero fleet or use default surrender for investigator ship.

solops

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solops

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12 years ago

Dec 17, 2012, 2:24:43 PM

dontnormally wrote:
+1

Please please please add an option to Pause during Card Selection for single-player games!

I understand the motive for multiplayer, but during a single-player TURN BASED game I expect to NEVER have to rush to a decision.

That's why I'm playing a TURN BASED game!

Excellent, excellent game - just don't force me out of my calm, TURN BASED mentality into forcibly-rushed, poor decision.

Agree. Not sure I want to play without a pause to set up a battle plan for each combat. For that matter, each ship type should have a separate card, Stand off for missile ships, close for beam/kinetic ships.

Igncom1

Craver

Infantry win firefights. Tanks win battles. Artillery win wars.

Igncom1

Craver

12 years ago

Dec 17, 2012, 2:30:31 PM

Ships getting their own battle cards dependent on ship size?

FULL VOTE INITIATED!

xyquas

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xyquas

Eyder

13 600g2g pts

12 years ago

May 27, 2012, 4:57:50 PM

One thing I love about turn based games is that I've got all the time in the world to make any of my decisions. The real time chosing of battle actions breaks this concept making me rush to any of those darn cards just to avoid losing an advantage. In other words: It kills the calm and silence of the game for a phase of stress that I very much dislike.

My suggestion: Pause combat while the screen for chosing a battle card is displayed. So I can thoroghly read any card and chose the one I see fitting best. Maybe this pausing could be a game option for those who like the real time element?

An alternative to pause the real time mode could be to set a standard strategy for the fleet so the battle starts with battle cards chosen already. Of course I could change them the way I can now. The standard strategy for the fleet could be derived from a standard strategy for the empire. Or it could be derived from a standard strategy of a ship design. That option should have a flagship set for each fleet (defaulting to the first ship in the fleet).

Ordered alternatives:

a: Pause combat phase [myfavouriteone]

b: Apply default strategy

b1: Default strategy defined by empire

b2: Default strategy defined by flagship of the fleet

b3: Default strategy defined by design most often used in fleet

Nokta

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Nokta

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12 years ago

Jun 26, 2012, 5:21:06 PM

Voted for "pause combat". Felt the same feeling lot o times.

Voqar

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Voqar

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4 300g2g pts

12 years ago

Jun 26, 2012, 3:05:14 PM

+1 for getting to pause and choose.

MODNosferatiel

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MODNosferatiel

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47 300g2g pts

12 years ago

Jun 16, 2012, 4:52:13 PM

This thread is the origin of discussions about pausing between combat phases.

Other threads about this have been archived:

/#/endless-space/forum/29-archives/thread/13661-suggestion-more-time-for-choosing-combat-cards

Feel free to post here about this topic here and inform yourself about the variations the threads listed above have already discussed, but don't open new suggestion threads for anything alike.

Prophet

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Prophet

Lost Underground

12 years ago

Jun 16, 2012, 4:44:58 PM

Of all the poll options, I think pausing during card selection is the best. And I would think it is the easiest to implement.

Campana

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Campana

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12 years ago

Jun 15, 2012, 5:42:49 PM

xyquas wrote:
My suggestion: Pause combat while the screen for chosing a battle card is displayed. So I can thoroghly read any card and chose the one I see fitting best. Maybe this pausing could be a game option for those who like the real time element?

Ordered alternatives:

a: Pause combat phase [myfavouriteone]

b: Apply default strategy

b1: Default strategy defined by empire

b2: Default strategy defined by flagship of the fleet

b3: Default strategy defined by design most often used in fleet

I like all of these suggestions, but agree pausing the battle while you choose a card is the best solution.

kobriel

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kobriel

Newcomer

12 years ago

Jun 15, 2012, 5:18:22 PM

One thing I keep advocating: a 'skip the combat animations' option in the game menu. That and 'pause before each combat phase' would improve the game significantly for me. Since they should be options to check when customizing the game, in the beginning, they wouldn't bother the players who want to watch the combat animations, they wouldn't change the combat system and they wouldn't change anything in the way the devs 'see' the game.

Andargor

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Andargor

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12 years ago

Jun 7, 2012, 3:28:10 AM

+1. Keep the playstyle consistent for those that wish it.

Siylenia

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Siylenia

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13 100g2g pts

12 years ago

May 28, 2012, 9:32:06 PM

+1. In multiplayer I wouldn't be a fan, but for singleplayer definitely.

Ohma

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Ohma

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12 years ago

May 28, 2012, 5:14:49 PM

I like this idea so long as it's an option you can select during game setup like Zenicetus mentioned. If it were present there then it would even work for multiplayer since all players ostensibly agree on each option before the game starts. I disagree with the need for a default strategy selector...uh...thing because there's already an auto resolve button in the game.

GC13

Old

I feel like I'm trying way too hard to pick a favorite faction...

GC13

Old

16 400g2g pts

12 years ago

May 28, 2012, 4:22:50 AM

Definitely pause the game while selecting cards, at least in single-player; with no other players to annoy and no real way for me to analyze the enemy's actions, I don't see why I can't take my time to decide how I want my ships to proceed in the fight. I also like the option of having the ability to have your card selections already filled out. I'd probably make it simple, just some variable attached to the fleet.

Kingherod

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Kingherod

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12 years ago

May 27, 2012, 10:43:17 PM

+1 I really like the idea of a default strategy for the flag ship

Prophet

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Prophet

Lost Underground

12 years ago

May 27, 2012, 9:19:06 PM

Zenicetus wrote:
It's also an idea that should be dead simple to program, unlike many other ideas here for game improvement. Even if it's not a game setup option, they could just hotkey a pause to the P or Pause keys. And then disable that for multiplayer.

My feeling as well. Though I will admit I am no programmer.

Zenicetus

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Zenicetus

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12 years ago

May 27, 2012, 9:10:29 PM

It's also an idea that should be dead simple to program, unlike many other ideas here for game improvement. Even if it's not a game setup option, they could just hotkey a pause to the P or Pause keys. And then disable that for multiplayer.

Prophet

Lost Underground

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Prophet

Lost Underground

12 years ago

May 27, 2012, 9:01:56 PM

Agree 100%. I would like at least the option of pausing the battle while choosing my battle card. As it currently is, I tend to spend most of combat with the battle card selection window up (especially mid-game on). So I miss most of the action. A pity.

Zenicetus

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Zenicetus

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17 900g2g pts

12 years ago

May 27, 2012, 6:58:31 PM

+1

At least make it an option in the setup screen. It's jarring to have a game shift player modes like that.

It might be a good idea for multiplayer games to keep things moving along, and maybe that was the reason they did it this way? But multiplayer design shouldn't restrict the singleplayer experience. Make it optional for singleplayer games.