What the actual f***ing f*** ?

Looks great in my opinion, it's about time Civ had some competition. The only part that worries me is the combat system. Judging by the way they described it, it seems to be similar to EL and combat really wasn't the strongest part of the game, it was probably the worst. Maybe this time we'll get to actually order units around without the pre-turn order in advance thing?

Miel wrote:

What the actual f***ing f*** ?

SEGA's cash cow.

This is whats going to make Amplitude money to make more endless games

Ok, I'm quite happy for Amplitude.

Endless universe was started to limit their creative ideas. It's good for them to pour their 4x ideas on a more mainstream fashion. I'll say more in time but my initial reaction is this.

ruzen wrote:

Ok, I'm quite happy for Amplitude.

Endless universe was started to limit their creative ideas. It's good for them to pour their 4x ideas on a more mainstream fashion. I'll say more in time but my initial reaction is this.

 

I dont know man, I always thought it potentially enables them to go wide and connect it all anyway. Many sub genres in strategy. I have a wet dream about a Company of Heroes esque game in the Endless Universe. Like a ground battle but played out in company of heroes style. That set in the Endless universe, and I would wither away in a dark room playing nothing else doing nothing else. Though I love 4x games too, especially the ones made by amplitude. No doubt great news.

licantropique wrote:

Yeah It looks a lot like civilisation. We'll see how good it is. we dunno. Maybe it's good I'm open to the idea.

Who needs aliens ? Humans for the win!

Looks live Civ 6 done right! Or maybe THE game that Civ 7 will have to compete with when it launches.

And yes, I also wished / expected that the next game from Amplitude would stay in the Endless universe... but let's give it a chance.

So was this Amp or Sega's choice.Cant help but feel they want the Civ monies so more likely Sega.

Ashbery76 wrote:

So was this Amp or Sega's choice.Cant help but feel they want the Civ monies so more likely Sega.

They've said it themselves that this was a game they dreamed of making when the studio was founded, AKA before Sega got involved.

ImperatorTempus42 wrote:

Ashbery76 wrote:

So was this Amp or Sega's choice.Cant help but feel they want the Civ monies so more likely Sega.

They've said it themselves that this was a game they dreamed of making when the studio was founded, AKA before Sega got involved.

That is PR talk.

Lol, you guys are being ridiculous. This isn't Sega's choice. It's clearly Amplitude's. They make the games that they want to. 

And it's been too long since Civilization had a proper competitor. Trust me. You'll want to see this. 

Honestly I couldn't care less whose choice it was so long as Amplitude makes a good Civilization game and I fully believe they can. The trailer was cool and I don't see anything to complain about in the screenshots.

I like the details on the map, people walking in cities, animals roaming the unsettled lands, reminds me of good old Knights of Honor...

Besides the catch phrase that launch this thread, I really don't know how to feell about this game.

On the one hand, I am a huge fan of amplitude and their games and I will probably buy humankind day 1 because i am stupid. But on the other hand, this game really feel like the bastard child between Civ and EL and i really dunno if this is a good thing. Because why would you play humankind when you can play EL or Civ? I am really afraid that it will be compared to both of those games constantly (and it is already the case i think).

But we don't even have some gameplay yet, so this is pure speculation and I really want to be wrong. Only time will tell us I guess...

The real "one question" is will FlyByNo be back to do the music?

Mizaq wrote:

The real "one question" is will FlyByNo be back to do the music?

The trailer seems to make it obvious, sounds exactly like his work.

After burning out on Civ this is just what I wanted. Firaxis have had the entire run of human history by themselves for a long time now.

Miel wrote:

On the one hand, I am a huge fan of amplitude and their games and I will probably buy humankind day 1 because i am stupid. But on the other hand, this game really feel like the bastard child between Civ and EL and i really dunno if this is a good thing. Because why would you play humankind when you can play EL or Civ? I am really afraid that it will be compared to both of those games constantly (and it is already the case i think).

IMO, it depends what you are looking for in Amplitude's games : lore or mechanics. I love them two, but a bit more the mechanics, because it is very elegant somehow, and refreshing in the 4x genre. It was easy to introduce them in fantasy lores. So the good question (for me) would be : can they renew the genre mechanics as easily as they've done in the past, with a more traditional genre.

I really don't know. But I hope for it, from all my heart !

I think a lot of Civ players will get it.  Whether they will stay with it longterm is another thing.  Fraxis do need some serious competition.

Impressions from demo

https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/19/20809087/humankind-sega-amplitude-windows-pc-release-date-preview-civilization

It's funny how they say this is their dream game, their "magunm opus"

So a completely unique universe, meticously crafted and nourished, carefully built up and designed, was just your stepping stone for your magnum opus which is a Civ clone?

Better be a damn good game then.

It's not unthinkable that a dev team that wanted to make 4x games was inspired to do so by Civilization, with some variation on the concept that inspired them to make the games in the first place always lurking on the edge of their minds. Now they got the chance to make their dream game, it's not hard to believe in something like that.

rvm1975 wrote:

Impressions from demo

https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/19/20809087/humankind-sega-amplitude-windows-pc-release-date-preview-civilization

Sounds good, so far.

I may be a bit disappointed by mixing really obsolete units with more modern ones on the same battlefied, but I need to have more details to be sure about how to take it.

Yeah that sounds very odd.I mean we cant have a Roman galley part of fleet with Russian subs,heh.

I guess I'm on the mechanics side of the Amplitude camp, the Endless universe is good for a fantasy world but I was drawn in by the new ideas Amplitude brought to strategy games and theres no story more compelling than human history. 

Sublustris wrote:

Miel wrote:

What the actual f***ing f*** ?

SEGA's cash cow.

If I may offer some perspective here: a cash cow is a reliable franchise that brings in numbers on a regular basis.

A cash cow is not, ever, a new franchise whose first game already requires your studio to nearly double in size simply to be able to take on the task of creating it. This is making a bet and taking a risk, the actual opposite of that. With Humankind, we're going all out to, quite simply, try and make the best game we've ever made. But it's still a bet (although we're thinking this is one we can indeed pu off, in the end, this will be for you to judge).

SEGA have a number of solid franchises that have over the years managed to pull in great numbers of players and achieved quite a lot. I can understand why you are expressing concerns that this is the way a non-Endless game would be going, as with all changes of habits, or in this case, of franchise.

Nonetheless, I don't think that cash cow is an apt description of us, nor will it be, for a long time.

I like how it looks, i like the aesthethics, the music, and i will probably buy it once it is out, but i cant stop feeling a bit weird since honestly i wanted more endless related content.

While I do strongly question the decision to try to compete directly with Civ and the hundreds of other historical 4X games out there instead of making Endless Legend 2, I am willing to give this a chance.  All the best of luck to Amplitude on this project.  Can't wait to see the finished product.

SpikedWallMan wrote:

While I do strongly question the decision to try to compete directly with Civ and the hundreds of other historical 4X games out there instead of making Endless Legend 2, I am willing to give this a chance.  All the best of luck to Amplitude on this project.  Can't wait to see the finished product.

The thing is, though, there aren't hundreds of historical 4x games.  There are lots of space-related 4x games, but the historical genre is occupied by the Civ franchise and really nothing else (games like Through the Ages are a very different beast).

I think it's a smart business decision.  There are many different ways a game of the history of human culture can be written, and Firaxis can only focus on one approach, which for any given game in the series will appeal to some people and not to everyone.  I'm looking forward to Amplitude's take on the genre.

One of my biggest hopes (other than that I enjoy HK), is that HK is a commercial success and inspires a third studio to enter the space.  I think the market for this genre is may be bigger than any one studio can appeal to.  More takes on the genre offers more choice.  

And in terms of the Endless franchise, presumably learnings from HK will flow back into future launches of those titles.

Ashbery76 wrote:

So was this Amp or Sega's choice.Cant help but feel they want the Civ monies so more likely Sega.

according a interveiw clip from one of the main devs. They made amp studios for this game. but early days they did not have the experience for it. Made Endless universe and after 3 (4) games under their belt. Now they are ready to kick som Civ butt and make Humankind

errons1 wrote:

They made amp studios for this game. but early days they did not have the experience for it. Made Endless universe and after 3 (4) games under their belt. Now they are ready to kick som Civ butt and make Humankind

Reminds me of Colossal order company.

They also admitted they didn't have experience to begin with a city building game right away. They first started on city transportation games (cities in motion 1&2) but they always wanted to eventually make a city builder game.  After a few years, they felt they were ready and developed a really successful game - Cities skylines, who absolutely destroyed the simcity genre.