Impressions from demo

https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/19/20809087/humankind-sega-amplitude-windows-pc-release-date-preview-civilization

It's funny how they say this is their dream game, their "magunm opus"

So a completely unique universe, meticously crafted and nourished, carefully built up and designed, was just your stepping stone for your magnum opus which is a Civ clone?

Better be a damn good game then.

It's not unthinkable that a dev team that wanted to make 4x games was inspired to do so by Civilization, with some variation on the concept that inspired them to make the games in the first place always lurking on the edge of their minds. Now they got the chance to make their dream game, it's not hard to believe in something like that.

rvm1975 wrote:

Impressions from demo

https://www.polygon.com/2019/8/19/20809087/humankind-sega-amplitude-windows-pc-release-date-preview-civilization

Sounds good, so far.

I may be a bit disappointed by mixing really obsolete units with more modern ones on the same battlefied, but I need to have more details to be sure about how to take it.

Yeah that sounds very odd.I mean we cant have a Roman galley part of fleet with Russian subs,heh.

I guess I'm on the mechanics side of the Amplitude camp, the Endless universe is good for a fantasy world but I was drawn in by the new ideas Amplitude brought to strategy games and theres no story more compelling than human history. 

Sublustris wrote:

Miel wrote:

What the actual f***ing f*** ?

SEGA's cash cow.

If I may offer some perspective here: a cash cow is a reliable franchise that brings in numbers on a regular basis.

A cash cow is not, ever, a new franchise whose first game already requires your studio to nearly double in size simply to be able to take on the task of creating it. This is making a bet and taking a risk, the actual opposite of that. With Humankind, we're going all out to, quite simply, try and make the best game we've ever made. But it's still a bet (although we're thinking this is one we can indeed pu off, in the end, this will be for you to judge).

SEGA have a number of solid franchises that have over the years managed to pull in great numbers of players and achieved quite a lot. I can understand why you are expressing concerns that this is the way a non-Endless game would be going, as with all changes of habits, or in this case, of franchise.

Nonetheless, I don't think that cash cow is an apt description of us, nor will it be, for a long time.

I like how it looks, i like the aesthethics, the music, and i will probably buy it once it is out, but i cant stop feeling a bit weird since honestly i wanted more endless related content.

While I do strongly question the decision to try to compete directly with Civ and the hundreds of other historical 4X games out there instead of making Endless Legend 2, I am willing to give this a chance.  All the best of luck to Amplitude on this project.  Can't wait to see the finished product.

SpikedWallMan wrote:

While I do strongly question the decision to try to compete directly with Civ and the hundreds of other historical 4X games out there instead of making Endless Legend 2, I am willing to give this a chance.  All the best of luck to Amplitude on this project.  Can't wait to see the finished product.

The thing is, though, there aren't hundreds of historical 4x games.  There are lots of space-related 4x games, but the historical genre is occupied by the Civ franchise and really nothing else (games like Through the Ages are a very different beast).

I think it's a smart business decision.  There are many different ways a game of the history of human culture can be written, and Firaxis can only focus on one approach, which for any given game in the series will appeal to some people and not to everyone.  I'm looking forward to Amplitude's take on the genre.

One of my biggest hopes (other than that I enjoy HK), is that HK is a commercial success and inspires a third studio to enter the space.  I think the market for this genre is may be bigger than any one studio can appeal to.  More takes on the genre offers more choice.  

And in terms of the Endless franchise, presumably learnings from HK will flow back into future launches of those titles.

Ashbery76 wrote:

So was this Amp or Sega's choice.Cant help but feel they want the Civ monies so more likely Sega.

according a interveiw clip from one of the main devs. They made amp studios for this game. but early days they did not have the experience for it. Made Endless universe and after 3 (4) games under their belt. Now they are ready to kick som Civ butt and make Humankind

errons1 wrote:

They made amp studios for this game. but early days they did not have the experience for it. Made Endless universe and after 3 (4) games under their belt. Now they are ready to kick som Civ butt and make Humankind

Reminds me of Colossal order company.

They also admitted they didn't have experience to begin with a city building game right away. They first started on city transportation games (cities in motion 1&2) but they always wanted to eventually make a city builder game.  After a few years, they felt they were ready and developed a really successful game - Cities skylines, who absolutely destroyed the simcity genre.