If you capture a city that was in the process of building a wonder, and you finish it, who gets the benefits? The original empire that paid the influence to claim it, or you since you finished building it?

If you capture a territory with a wonder, do you now get the benefits?

The empire that has it in their territory gets the benefits.. Except the fame, that goes to.. not sure if builder/ influence buyer. (but not someone that conquered completed wonder

This seems poorly explained and contrary to what is expected. I think in my head that when i take over a territory, the wonders and holy sites now contribute to my religion. This is based on historical fact like the Hagia Sophia, it was built for the Christians in Constantinople (Istanbul), but when the Muslims captured the city, they converted it to a mosque and it then became a prominent holy site for their religion. Very few historical civilizations allowed major religious sites to operate under a religion that wasn't the state religion.

Melliores wrote:

Holy sites work only for the religion they were built for. Each religion has a cap of holy sites you can build and you can not go over it.

That said, you can ransack and destroy (via bombardment, missiles and nukes) both Holy sites and Cultural wonders. There are even Steam achievements for destroying a Holy site and a Cultural wonder.

If you notice that the Holy site of a foreign religion is giving you trouble, simply ransack/destroy it. This did happen quite often throughout history as well.

That's not true. All Holy Sites I conquered seemed to contribute spreading my religion and they are all shown under Holy Sites section of my religion.

Melliores wrote:

@el-Fakir

Have you managed to reach the Maximum number of Holy sites for your religion before conquering the other sites ? If not, then they will count. However if you have already built up to the maximum number they should not be included. In my games foreign holy sites continued to generate faith for their religion.

Cultural Wonders that act as Holy sites are a separate case and they always contribute to the conqueror's religion.

@Possibility

The Hagia Sofia can not be considered a Holy site for muslims. Also a lot of states allowed different religions to coexist and keep their holy sites. For example Jerusalem has been conquered many times, including by crusaders, the British, Mameluks and what not. The Blue dome mosque is still standing there to this day and is a major pilgrimage site. Same goes for the holy sites of other religions within the same city.

There are also multiple examples of the reverse - the conqueror's burning, pillaging, disassembling temples and holy sites. For example when the Ottomans were conquering Asia Minor from the Byzantines a lot of churches and even Ancient Greek temples and tombs were pillaged and the stone and marble used for building villas, mosques and castle walls.

I just checked it again. You are right about conquered Holy Sites. What I was referring is the one that I inherited the ongoing construction after conquering the city and completed myself. I later got three more Holy Sites already built in a recently conquered city and they are not counted as my sites under religion tooltip. It shows I have 12 Holy Sites: 5 I built + 6 Wonders counted as Holy Site (2 of which inherited through conquest) + 1 Holy Site conquered while under construction.

Krikkitone wrote:

The empire that has it in their territory gets the benefits.. Except the fame, that goes to.. not sure if builder/ influence buyer. (but not someone that conquered completed wonder

The fame goes to whoever *completed* it. So if you can figure out where a wonder is being built you can steal the fame by conquering it then finishing the wonder. I've been doing that a lot lately because I've taken a more militaristic approach to recent games.

I have an even more stupid question: If I build a wonder, does it work for that 1 territory only, or entire realm?  And why does it give 2, or even 3 different "+ Stability" ratings?  It's really unclear.

It works for the entire city (some Wonders apply to all cities, but unless they say otherwise it’s the city they are in…with all of its territories.

StarCleric wrote:

I have an even more stupid question: If I build a wonder, does it work for that 1 territory only, or entire realm?  And why does it give 2, or even 3 different "+ Stability" ratings?  It's really unclear.

Stability bonus is only for the city that builds the Wonder. Other benefits are mostly empire-wide bonuses, except a few wonders. Topkapı Palace, for instance, doubles industry of its city only while participating in shared projects. Notre Dame's faith bonus (+1 Faith per tech) and Angkor Wat's Food bonus (+1 Food per Faith) are also exclusive to their home-citiy.

Thanks guys

el-Fakir wrote:

StarCleric wrote:

I have an even more stupid question: If I build a wonder, does it work for that 1 territory only, or entire realm?  And why does it give 2, or even 3 different "+ Stability" ratings?  It's really unclear.

Stability bonus is only for the city that builds the Wonder. Other benefits are mostly empire-wide bonuses, except a few wonders. Topkapı Palace, for instance, doubles industry of its city only while participating in shared projects. Notre Dame's faith bonus (+1 Faith per tech) and Angkor Wat's Food bonus (+1 Food per Faith) are also exclusive to their home-citiy.

Hi, is the city that queues the construction, or where the wonder or temple is built?  I need a certain city to get the stability, but want to build it in another city's territory.  

thanks

Sturok wrote:

el-Fakir wrote:

StarCleric wrote:

I have an even more stupid question: If I build a wonder, does it work for that 1 territory only, or entire realm?  And why does it give 2, or even 3 different "+ Stability" ratings?  It's really unclear.

Stability bonus is only for the city that builds the Wonder. Other benefits are mostly empire-wide bonuses, except a few wonders. Topkapı Palace, for instance, doubles industry of its city only while participating in shared projects. Notre Dame's faith bonus (+1 Faith per tech) and Angkor Wat's Food bonus (+1 Food per Faith) are also exclusive to their home-citiy.

Hi, is the city that queues the construction, or where the wonder or temple is built?  I need a certain city to get the stability, but want to build it in another city's territory.  

thanks

It's where the wonder is built that matters. Any city can contribute to its construction since it's a shared project but the city encompassing the wonder within its boundaries receives any city-specific bonuses.

el-Fakir wrote:

It's where the wonder is built that matters. Any city can contribute to its construction since it's a shared project but the city encompassing the wonder within its boundaries receives any city-specific bonuses.

Thank you for the reply

Similar question:

What if you conquer a culture that has a claim on a wonder, but hasn't built it yet?

My neighbors took Stonehenge, but I gimped them in Neolithic and they still have no other territory in Classical. 

I'm thinking of taking their city and hoping that I can then build Stonehenge.  Is that possible?

Sturok wrote:

Similar question:

What if you conquer a culture that has a claim on a wonder, but hasn't built it yet?

My neighbors took Stonehenge, but I gimped them in Neolithic and they still have no other territory in Classical. 

I'm thinking of taking their city and hoping that I can then build Stonehenge.  Is that possible?

It is not possible, if you conquer another empire, his projects are still his. The only way to obtain wonders from other empires is to take over the territories where they were built.

The only way to get some benefit from projects that aren't yours is through the agreement of shared projects in the diplomacy tab, but you will not share the benefits of the cultural marvel, you will only gain a large cash/influence payment of your choice after the conclusion.

I see. darn.  thank you