besides i don't believe complaing eill change amplitude's mind. just go with it

But, that's cruel for those who want their entitlement to be fulfilled right now!

Well from the Dev Blog:

"Some of our community members seem to be confused about the Vaulters and their availability. We would like to inform you, as mentioned previously in the DotE FAQ, that the Vaulters will be available as a free DLC when DotE is released (no exact date yet unfortunately!) so everybody can enjoy them!"



Been having fun with the vaulters. I really enjoy my teleporting fleet. The Sherydan declared war on me. I snuck a colonyship past them, founded a colony on the other side of their empire and build an Aperture and now my fleet can circumvent the worm hole choke point. Fun times

T41 wrote:
Because some of us already bought it with $$$$ (or whatever currency you use), and I'd be mad if I bought something that others got for free with no compensation... again



That is just the way I see it.

But what about the concept of a level playing field? This simply isn't fair.



But would it not be cooler if we got some skins instead? I would love playing as Red Harmony or something.

The Scholars



Vaulter Affinity (duh)



2/2 Feeble Warriors

2/2 Sloppy Sawbones

2/2 Dust Impaired

2/2 Slow Travelers

3/3 Scientists

3/3 Builders

2/2 Optimistic

1/1 Asceticism

1/1 Dust Archaeology

1/1 Kitchen Chemists

3/3 Militarists

3/3 Spray and Pray

3/3 Offense First

1/1 Unlucky Colonists

1/2 Fragile Hulls



64/65 Points



To try and change the tone of this discussion a tad, I find the Vaulters to be a stronger science faction than the Sophons in practice due to the fact that they are not held back by their tax rate, nor reliant on trade or ind/dust to achieve positive income, in conjunction to all the extra science buildings they receive as buffs to the otherwise useless bunker buildings.



An obvious example lies in the Adaptation Centers. Unlocked by a tech' that costs 100 science, costing a mere 84 industry with a 3/3 builders faction, yet, on a system with three or more systems colonized, rivals the Magnetic Field Generator's science yield on all but Helium, Ocean, Arctic, and Barren planets. Do note, it costs 1 dust/turn less in maintenance, and has the bonus to defense attached. This is crazy! Obviously, one does not exclude the other, and it won't be long as such a science powerhouse before you hold both in all your systems.



My most recent game ended with me having twice the tech' of all but one faction, who was far ahead of the pack score-wise, yet only had two-thirds the tech' I did (I started with a lot of crappy systems nearby).



This is my current version of the faction I used in that game (it had less combat penalties, and only 1/3 Militarists then). Along with the "usual" freebies: Feeble Warriors (which is even more free with all the "bunker" buildings we'll be building), Sloppy Sawbones, and Dust Impaired, we take Slow Travelers 2/2, a pseudo-freebie with this faction's affinity, especially due to the -25% support module tonnage on our Corvette allowing us to take a Seed Module and Engines without Optimal Structure 1/2, Spray and Pray 3/3 due to the current combat mechanics making accuracy a fairly painless dump stat, and the rest of the penalties taken are the least harmful to the player in the early game.



Instead, with our superior science and production, we quickly skyrocket ahead early through the sheer power of our technological advantage, until we feel we've achieved enough of an advantage to impose our will upon the other, feeble-minded factions however we see fit.



This, along with the redheaded chic' representing us at the head (go redheads!), makes this faction my favorite to date.



I hope we get some confirmation soon on whether this faction will eventually be released to every one, but it is a blast to pilot, and I hope that everyone else will get the chance to see why.

Plus, the faction is most likely just in the beta/alpha stage, and Amplitude could be just working out the kinks with the Vaulters before releasing them to everyone, while still allowing public discussion and Let's Plays of the faction.

You know, they might just grant open access to everyone once Dungeon fully releases, since the code is already in the Search for Auriga, and Vaulter ship are in that Add-On's promotional and in-game artwork.

TZer0 wrote:
Why not simply give everyone The Vaulters right now?

Because some of us already bought it with $$$$ (or whatever currency you use), and I'd be mad if I bought something that others got for free with no compensation... again



That is just the way I see it.

Please don't get me wrong. I will continue to buy Amplitude's games as I absolutely love Endless Space and cannot wait to play Endless Legend.



My question is, why is it such an issue to simply voice our opinions as we have seen others here do in regards to something they did not agree with about the game in some way, I.E. Save the Sowers or Harmony is still Underpowered or asking others to stop complaining and just "Go with it?" If everyone here did just that and never provided Amplitude feedback about what they felt about the game, then none of the desired changes or needed fixes would have been applied or even considered as they would have thought the game (or marketing plan for that matter) to have been perfect from the onset!



I think it speaks for our love of the game and our desire for additional content that we "complain" about having to spend money on a product we simply do not want in order to get another product we do want. As I said, I understand the reasoning but it still irks me! As an entirely off-the-wall analogy...having to buy DotE to get an extra faction for Endless Space is like having to spend a night with my hideous sister-in-law in order to get a kiss from my wife.



MindX

they are trying to get fans of endless space to buy DotE and for people whobbuy DotE to buy endless space. its just marketing when people stop buying DotE they will probably make it a dlc.

Sovereign wrote:
You all should calm down a bit i am sure the vaulters will be one they available for all ES players and thats for FREE as it was the case wit the sheredyn.



and we should appreciate all the stuff Amplitude gives us for FREE

Why not simply give everyone The Vaulters right now?



This is not giving us stuff for free. If it was free, it would've been included in Endless Space without the requirement of an external purchase.

Adventurer_Blitz wrote:
besides i don't believe complaing eill change amplitude's mind. just go with it

Why should I not at least hope that complaining will change their mind?

melkathi wrote:
Well from the Dev Blog:

"Some of our community members seem to be confused about the Vaulters and their availability. We would like to inform you, as mentioned previously in the DotE FAQ, that the Vaulters will be available as a free DLC when DotE is released (no exact date yet unfortunately!) so everybody can enjoy them!"



Been having fun with the vaulters. I really enjoy my teleporting fleet. The Sherydan declared war on me. I snuck a colonyship past them, founded a colony on the other side of their empire and build an Aperture and now my fleet can circumvent the worm hole choke point. Fun times

Well, that works for a human. Does the AI do it?

You all should calm down a bit i am sure the vaulters will be one they available for all ES players and thats for FREE as it was the case wit the sheredyn.



and we should appreciate all the stuff Amplitude gives us for FREE

T41 wrote:
I don't think many people would want a repeat of the Emperor Edition in ES. Unless the skins were actual skins and don't evolve into a whole new faction .

I'd be super-happy if I could get skins such as Red Harmony, super-gold-gilded whatever other faction or whatever else. No way you can make that into a seperate faction.



Just don't write a backstory.



Seriously.

TZer0 wrote:




How about giving everyone The Vaulters and give the owners of DotE:FE some skins instead? I think this would be a nice solution.

I don't think many people would want a repeat of the Emperor Edition in ES. Unless the skins were actual skins and don't evolve into a whole new faction .

TZer0 wrote:
...What you're suggesting isn't really a fix. What if someone has learned to use The Vaulters to their full effect and only wants to play as them?...

Well, then, they're out of luck. I didn't say it would make everyone happy. It would just balance multi-player.



While garnering good will with the customer base is very important, has made the decision that this is their most profitable strategy. They may be wrong! EA certainly was with SimCity. Regardless, I doubt they are going to change their course any time soon.

Anosognos wrote:
As someone uninterested in multi-player, I had not considered this.



Imbalance is definitely a concern as the Vaulters have a powerful affinity.



While I understand the frustration the player base (rightfully) has with this kind of marketing move, it's also 's prerogative, as a business. They are likely to make more money with such a strategy by selling copies of DotE than they are to lose money from angry customers. As unpleasant as it may be, the truth of the matter is that those that actually make good on their threats to boycott are a minority compared to those that don't even consider it an issue, in most cases.



That said, I think should, at the very least, patch so that it locks out factions the opponent does not have access to.

Well, right now, they've put the money-flow from me (and probably several other people) completely on hold. They can't expect another purchase from me until they fix this.



What you're suggesting isn't really a fix. What if someone has learned to use The Vaulters to their full effect and only wants to play as them?

MindX wrote:
Now that the cat is out of the bag (by tying the Vaulters, an ES faction, to DotE) Amplitude has probably made some extra cash by requiring fans of ES purchase a game they have no or relatively little interest in (DotE), they cannot simply create a quick-fix DLC of the Vaulters without 'PO' the ES players who already bought the Founders Edition. I understand this, but it still sticks it to those of us who want the new ES content but not DotE.



Amplitude, in the future please release new content for different games 'separately' so ALL of your fans will be happy.



Vey annoyed, MindX!!!

How about giving everyone The Vaulters and give the owners of DotE:FE some skins instead? I think this would be a nice solution.

MindX wrote:
Now that the cat is out of the bag (by tying the Vaulters, an ES faction, to DotE) Amplitude has probably made some extra cash by requiring fans of ES purchase a game they have no or relatively little interest in (DotE), they cannot simply create a quick-fix DLC of the Vaulters without 'PO' the ES players who already bought the Founders Edition. I understand this, but it still sticks it to those of us who want the new ES content but not DotE.



Amplitude, in the future please release new content for different games 'separately' so ALL of your fans will be happy.



Vey annoyed, MindX!!!

Has it occured to anyone that the Vaulters are simply early access for those who bought the Founder version of DotE? Unless they actually make a statement to that effect, there's no reason to assume that the Vaulters will be exclusive to those who pre-ordered DotE, or at least no more reason than there is to assume that it will be exclusive.

I really enjoyed what was so far of DotE, and the vaulters was kind of just a 'bonus'. Although I do sort of agree how the vaulters should still be accessible by those who don't want to purches DotE :/ And on a side note does anyone want free coupons?

Now that the cat is out of the bag (by tying the Vaulters, an ES faction, to DotE) Amplitude has probably made some extra cash by requiring fans of ES purchase a game they have no or relatively little interest in (DotE), they cannot simply create a quick-fix DLC of the Vaulters without 'PO' the ES players who already bought the Founders Edition. I understand this, but it still sticks it to those of us who want the new ES content but not DotE.



Amplitude, in the future please release new content for different games 'separately' so ALL of your fans will be happy.



Vey annoyed, MindX!!!